Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by ViD, Apr 6, 2021.
Marchand might be a very good player, but he has something wrong in the head.
I’ve had him around top 5 for a couple years. McDavid, Mackinnon, Draisatl, Kucherov are ahead but I don’t see anyone else clearly better
Medium answer, no.
Your incorrect is incorrect.
Marchand is better. And while not better, I see the following players very close: Kane, Marner, Pastrnak, Rantanen. So you could make a case for Panarin being top 10 player but he is clearly not 2nd best.
He has a case, anyone who says yes or no definitively is a fool. He's top-5 without a doubt. The other top-5 players for sure are Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Kucherov and Hedman. Any list where somebody out of these guys is #2 is legit. Mackinnon can scare you all you want but the guy never, for any significant period of time, has been the best player in the league or the best player at his position. Never won the Hart or Richard or Pearson or...really anything. He's flashy, he produces, he's a an exciting skater with powerful stride...but these all are traits. What about an actual substance? Is he ahead of the aforementioned players in terms the actual results? The answer is no. One could argue he's not even the best player from his draft but that is for another thread.
Ya, he's also the best LW in hockey.
Marchand plays with Bergeron and Pasta
Panarin plays with Strome and Blackwell
Panarin >> Marchand
He was never drafted. I guess you have missed his entire dandelion story? I assume you mean his rookie season, but there's a difference. It's goddamn movie material. Otherwise, sure, I agree with you, it's all debatable, but he's up there in the tumble dryer of opinions.
Yup, who've had chemistry for ages. But the licking maniac is better. Meanwhile Panarin carries his entire line - and a significant extent of the team. It's him, Zibanejad, Fox and Shesterkin, but Panarin is the star star.
I would never pick Marchand ahead of Panarin. Panarin is way more talented, worse defensively but is actually likeable. And that's not out of the pest role issue, Marchand goes beyond that like worse than Sean Avery kind of moves. Marchand can stay in Boston.
Which is exactly why Marchand has no chance to end up in the HHOF. He's too much of a dumbass to not even respect the sport and his opponents enough to hold some kind of standard that even 4 year olds know is absolutely disgusting and forbidden.
Don't eat dog shit. Don't eat sand. Don't lick people in the face. The simple stuff that Marchand was never raised to understand. And even detracting this, I don't hold Marchand's hockey skills that highly. If he would've played on a worse team, he would've been held in much less regard. He wouldn't shine as much as on a well oiled Boston 1st line.
Hes somewhere in the top 10, maybe even top 5 but idk bout top 2
You could make an argument for best winger, but Ws just don't impact the game as much as Cs or Ds, so by default I don't think a winger can be even a top 5 player in the league.
A couple years meaning before last season? Very wild you thought he was around top 5 when he was putting up PPG in Columbus.
Based on the last 2 seasons, Panarin has offensively outperformed (PPG) everyone except McDavid and Draisaitl (who Panarin is outperforming this season)
All players like:
Kucherov (I know hes injured this year),
Pastrnak (Goal scoring monster),
Im not saying he is better than all these players but I am saying that he is more than worthy of being talked about in the top 5 players in the league.
Especially with each of the those players on stacked lines compared Panarin with Ryan Strome.
Based on his offensive output he is currently 2nd for PPG this season and 3rd for PPG last season.
He should definitely be in the conversation for top 5.
Panarin has a case for sure. Amazing player
Putting up 169 points in 160 games while absolutely driving play for a bad Columbus team made him about top ~10 for me. Before I thought he might be a product of Kane but he really proved he was elite during his Columbus years
You need to re-read my post carefully.
He might be the 2nd best winger right now but not 2nd best player. He has a case for top 5 though, his impact is undeniable and he can play with anyone.
He plays on the wing, so he is disqualified from the discussion.
His offensive production definitely makes a strong case for 2nd best player. He is 2nd in PPG only behind McDavid.
He’s the only player in Columbus history to finish the season over point per game, so that’s a ridiculous task to accomplish
Yes, I must've quoted the wrong post. My bad. I have no issues with your arguments.
hayes is the 2nd best player
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