Discussion in 'Edmonton Oilers' started by TFHockey, Feb 8, 2019.
Kinda answered your own question there.
Because the problem is we only have one line?
No they won’t. Stop and actually think about that. A player on LTIR costs you literally nothing. Even if you trade him after his bonus, Lucic costs you 16 million. There isn’t a player on LTIR you could trade Lucic for.
You might be able to flip him and something for a guy like Wennberg who has of caphit of 4.9, and a salary of 5.35. That way they save 5.4 million. But you’re not getting rid of Lucic for nothing
Hence the get a winger for RNH...
Why break up line one when both players are on pace for 47 and 48 goals and both over 100 points?
I think it would be easier and cost less assets to get a 2nd line winger then get a 9-10 mil first line winger
wasn't a question
♂️ Of course Lucic can help more than someone on LTIR. He is not an AHL player, and he brings things that can make a team better...just not at his price tag.... so why exactly is a team trading someone on LTIR for him? They aren’t paying that player anyways...I guess unless you think a Hossa/Bolland plan on coming off of LTIR...lol
1st line your not getting Stone for 8 M. A US team with tax advantages will offer that so it is more like 10M in certain US markets. It would take Edmonton 9M at least to land him.
2nd line is no different than we have today, 2 horribly inconsistent wingers, one of which is trending down not up (JP).
3rd line will get caved in on a regular basis. You cant have an entire 3rd line of raw rookies.
4th line is a bloody joke of what we have now. 2 guys who cant score and 1 who only scores with McDavid.
The guy who wrote this if my memory serves me correctly is a huge Khaira and JP backer. Khaira and JP cant function on the 3rd line vs weaker competition with RNH as C. Zero chance they thrive vs tougher competition and 1st / 2nd pair defence with Drai. JP can barely get out of his own way and should be traded this off season before his value shrinks to 4th round pick Yakupov levels.
On some planet he thinks we can get Montour from Anahiem, a divisional rival struggling defensively giving up one of thier top 4 d men. Not happening.
This roster is complete and utter garbage.
Lucic actually has been playing well lately. Did you watch the game last night? A Lucic playing like that definitely helps a team more than a player on LTIR. Such an injured player only helps a team with cap considerations. If a team has a lot of room a Lucic deal might be possible.
Except by that logic any player helps, regardless of contract. If you extend Manning to an 8 year, 120 million contract, he’ll also technically help a team more than a player on LTIR. But no team would take that contract.
Honest question. Did you write the article?
Ok......one last time....why does, say Arizona, trade a zero asset,(Bolland/Hossa) whoever, for a guy who is way overpaid for his value to the team, and you have to pay him for 4 more years? Why wouldn’t they just go out and sign a similar player(third liner) for $3 million and laugh at the Oilers for being in the cap situation they are in while passing them in the standings?
Just remember that every team knows how ****ty the oilers cap situation and team is. No one is doing us a favour. If you think its a fair deal, we have to add because thats what its going to take to get rid of some players/have other teams "help us out".
People don't seem to understand that it doesn't matter whether Nuge or Drai play with McDavid. The one who has to center the second line has to drag around Lucic and Reider. Or Yamamoto, or Kassian...**** this game doesn't get any easier.
We need to try RNH+Drai together for a few games and see if they can be a 1b line for us.
Was it Chiarelli or the group? Nicholson opened up a can of worms admitting Koskinen was a group decision. I wish someone would have asked him why the group was involved in that one decision but none of the others. Saying Chiarelli had complete autonomy and then saying Koskinen was a group decision that was talked about in December doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
Not all LTIR contracts are insured.
Har! No. I was trying to describe a trade where a LTIR $6 Million dollar player would come over to Edmonton, and a similar $6 Million dollar contract would be moved out. Not a $120 Million over 8 years Manning contract for a $4-5 Million dollar contract. Good one though. Sarcasm alive and well on these Oiler boards.
I suppose I wasn't clear. I believe the Oilers would have to add. I don't see them having to add a 1st to move Lucic in this scenario. If I am wrong, and the author of the article is wrong, then so be it. We are no worse off than before.
Okay? I believe a trade is possible. ONE. LAST. TIME.
Right... which is why I posted that you have to find an uninsured contract...
And who is this player you speak of that makes roughly 6 million, has 3-5 years left after this year, and is on LTIR, but doesn’t have an insured contract? Please name me even one.
What sarcasm? You’re saying it doesn’t matter how bad his contract is because it apparently somehow beats not having to pay a player, or have that player count against your capspace. I’m saying it absolutely does. An insured LTIR contract is basically a get out of jail free card. Why would a team pass that up?
There are ways to get rid of him without paying a 1st. I even gave you an example. But that doesn’t mean you can just wish a fictional scenario into existence.
I'm not sure what you guys are seeing, this roster is far better than the one now. They add Stone, Montour, McElhinney and lose Chiasson, Lucic, Kassian and Talbot. It's completely unrealistic but a lot better.
I am not saying you are wrong . I just don't want us to rush prospects any more . NHL has a way of ripping the heart out of prospects . With your proposal we have a total rookie 3rd line
Nah, we need to try RNH and Lucic together for an extended period. We've already found the perfect winger for McDavid in Drai.
That's a very good point.
I think what TFHockey is missing here is that an insured LTIR contract for a player who will never play again(Bolland/Hossa, Pronger before, Marc Savard....etc....) are essentially non-existent. They don't matter. The team doesn't pay the contract, and the contract doesn't count against the cap..... Other than the fact that some third party insurance company is on the hook to pay that player, as far as any team is concerned, that contract is null and void. Done. Meaningless. Non-existent. Player doesn't count against the cap, doesn't take up a roster spot, doesn't actually cost the team a dime. They have zero value. It is completely pointless to trade them.
Yes, a trade could happen. But not for something that doesn't exist. As The Nuge pointed out or I have in the past, if we are trading Lucic, the most likely scenario is taking on a bad contract in return, or adding a valuable piece with him, prospect or draft pick in order to get something of use in return. One last time, an insured LTIR contract is not a bad contract. For all intents and purposes, it is non-existent. It's like trading for a ninth round pick. Doesn't exist.
I always thought they seem to gel.
Not sure I get the love for Stone here. Yes he’s an amazing player, but the Oil can’t fit him in.
If you want to make a super line, then just go RNH-McDavid-Draisaitl.
I always thought Lucic looked at his best on nugent-hopkins' line, those numbers are a lot more favorable for the pair than I would have expected though. I've been wondering this for a long time - didn't lucic's slump start when he was moved by Tmac off nugent-hopkins' line, up to McDavid's?
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