Interest in a full 9 round mock draft

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  1. VernonForrest

    VernonForrest Registered User

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    Hello,
    I am interested in starting a mock draft which would last the full 9 rounds using Humboldt's thread to determine the draft order. I would like to do this if I can get enough interest from people who would be knowledgable enough about the 2005 draft eligible players to participate. I would also be interested in a 6-7 mock draft if everyone feels 9 is too long. Please sign up and claim a team if you are interested, also if you could list your preference as to the length of the draft that would be great. I claim Pittsburgh.

    One concept I would like to float out there is one used by a poster last year (i believe it was cayouche) where you would send to me a list of 100 or so players and how you would rank them. You could send me instructions such as " no goalies before round 3" etc and I would do up the draft on my own time according to everyones rankings.

    I would leave time open for trades such as 1 week after everyone is signed up before I start the first 3 rounds, complete the 1st three rounds, then 3 days in between to make additional before I complete rounds 3-6, give another 3 days for trades and then finish the draft. This concept is one I would like to employ to cut down the time involved, as if we do it like every other mock we could be here for months.

    If there is strong opposition I could do it the traditional way. Let me know what you think.

    Anaheim- Blue Bullet
    Atlanta- Googa
    Boston- FREE DENTAL CARE
    Buffalo- Chipchura
    Calgary- Laurentides
    Carolina- noodlemike
    Chicago- The Great One
    Colorado- TopGun12
    Columbus- Philip J. Fry
    Dallas- Morrison Rulz
    Detroit- Cup4wings
    Edmonton- Slats432
    Florida- reffree
    Los Angeles- 10 ft. pole
    Minnesota- Bob Marley NYR
    Montreal- fredez
    Nashville- Hedberg16
    New Jersey- Jason MacIsaac
    New York Rangers- Bob Marley NYR
    New York Islanders- noodlemike
    Ottawa- Crosby=Gretzky
    Philadelphia- Mercury
    Phoenix- Hedberg16
    Pittsburgh- Vernon Forrest
    St. Louis- Senor Rational
    San Jose- Morrison Rulz
    Tampa Bay- Sabes
    Toronto- Kirk Pederson
    Vancouver- Peter
    Washington- Katodelder
     
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    I'll take Montreal

    9 rounds would be great
     
  3. ChemiseBleuHonnete

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    I'd like to participate.
     
  4. DanStewart

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    I'll take Detroit, PM me when we are about to begin.
     
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    I will pick for NYR.
     
  6. CH Wizard

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    I'll take Chicago.

    9 rounds is ok for me.
     
  7. Peter

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    I will take Vancouver and 9 rounds is just great. PM when we will start.
     
  8. 10 ft. pole

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    Ill take LA
     
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    There are tons of Edmonton fans on here so I will let one of them pick for them so I will take Tampa Bay if possible.
     
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    I'll take Columbus
     
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    Ah crap...can't resist...I will take the Edmonchuk Oilers.
     
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    Other Blues fans PM me and we will work together
     
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    I'll take Pittsburgh please!
     
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    OOPS Pittsburgh has been taken, my bad.

    I'll take Washington please!
     
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    ill take Calgary
     
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    I'll take the San Jose Sharks
     
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    On the TEAM 990 (Montreal sports radio station) today I phoned in to ask Pierre McGuire to comment on this Sportsnet article that suggested the league was trying a way to figure out the 2005 draft order:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/arti...408_145945_6192

    "The NHL Entry Draft was a hot topic of debate during Friday's meeting in Detroit, and while nothing has been officially decided, a draft lottery appears to be the option of choice for the 2005 crop."

    "Under a weighted system based on the past 3 or 4 years of regular season standings, all 30 teams will have a shot at Sidney Crosby and the first overall draft choice."

    "One general manager described this as a 'big debate' item. But it's important to note this system would be used once with an inverted order for the second round. So if a team (i.e., Anaheim) wins the first pick in the lottery, then that team (Anaheim) automatically claim the 60th pick (last pick, second round) overall."



    McGuire countered that he was almost certain that the teams would probably agree on a formula based on regular season WINNING PERCENTAGES rather than regular season POINT TOTALS, taken from the last 3-5 years, obviously weighted towards more recent seasons. (He couldn't be more specific on the 3-5 years or what percentages would constitute "weighted").

    Of course McGuire isn't the be-all, end-all answer to this hot topic, but I respect his opinion because he's very plugged into the hockey world, and when I think about it, winning % does make more sense than points (anyone else out there hate the OT Loss column?)

    While Humbolt's formula is a great one, why not try something different and come up with a draft order for this potential 9-round mock based on weighted winning percentages?

    To be specific, in my humble opinion, the last 4 years makes sense since that's how long we've had 30 teams.

    As for the "weighting", I'm not so sure, but I came up with a simple formula that would, for example, make 2003-04 regular season wins worth 4 times as much as 2000-01 wins, etc., etc.

    Here's a random example using the Devils' past four seasons:

    New Jersey
    2000-01 48 wins in 82 games x 1 = 48 in 82
    2001-02 41 wins in 82 games x 2 = 82 in 164
    2002-03 46 wins in 82 games x 3 = 138 in 246
    2003-04 43 wins in 82 games x 4 = 172 in 328
    TOTAL: 440 in 820 = .537 weighted 4-year winning percentage


    VernonForest, if you have any interest at all in such a system for your mock draft (or anyone else for that matter), I wouldn't mind doing the simple math for all 30 teams. if not, Humbolt's system is cool too.


    P.S. If I were to make one single exception to such a system, it would be to automatically place the last four Cup Champs at the bottom, regardless of winning percentage:

    30. Tampa Bay
    29. New Jersey
    28. Detroit
    27. Colorado

    Also, I don't particularily like the idea of reversing the order for round 2, as suggested by the Sportsnet article.

    Well, there you go guys. (9-rounds, WOW!)
     
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    Although I greatly apreciate the offer to do the work, I think for this we should just go with hamboldt's system as it is the one which was advertised from the start. I certainly support your idea though should the NHL try and find a weighted system, and would support percentages over points, but for this one I think we should just go as advertised.

    Is anyone opposed to the system where we all send in our lists and do it 3 rounds at a time, with time in between for trades, list adjustments etc?
     
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    To tell you the truth, I would find it more fun if we did the drafting ourselves.
     
  21. Sabes

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    It may take way longer but I 2nd that idea.
     
  22. VernonForrest

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    I agree it would be much more fun, but also extremely time consuming. But if everyone wants to do it that way that will be good as well. Another idea would be to do the first 3 rounds or so on here then do the lists for the remaining rounds.
     
  23. Crosby=Gretzky

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    I'm in as the Sens. Fun with a 9 round draft.
     
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    i'll take the Thrashers
     
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    Draft (9 rounds)

    I'll select for Boston
     
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