In your opinion what is holding Jack Eichel back?

[Member 308457]

One of the only things that is keeping Eichel from becoming the next Ryan Getzlaf is his confidence.
It's fine if the team is winning but if there are a few losses, he takes the team's problems on his shoulders and starts trying too hard. The longer the losing continues, then the body language starts
and he starts hanging his head. He's got to be more on an even keel although the stunning truth might be the Sabres still suck. If this is the case, I can see him bailing sooner than later.

But yes, confidence is everything.

 

[Willgamesh]

One of the only things that is keeping Eichel from becoming the next Ryan Getzlaf is his confidence.
It's fine if the team is winning but if there are a few losses, he takes the team's problems on his shoulders and starts trying too hard. The longer the losing continues, then the body language starts
and he starts hanging his head. He's got to be more on an even keel although the stunning truth might be the Sabres still suck. If this is the case, I can see him bailing sooner than later.

But yes, confidence is everything.

he needs a nice girl to treat him right.

 

[valet]

jack and Skinner are the only real constant threats for other teams to deal with on a nightly basis. if he ever gets some secondary scoring it'll make him that much more productive

 

[FloridaSabresFan]

What is holding Jack Eichel Back two things

1. Ankle Injury from his first seasons have affected him
2. Heart.

Before Eichel hurt his ankle he would fly down the wing and cut to the net. He rarely does it now.

 

[Buffaloed]

Quickest way to fix Eichel is to give him a couple wingers he has no expectations from. He's not going to hold the puck waiting for Lazar to get open.

 

[joshjull]

Run from this thread and don’t look back. Didn’t realize Jack was a slow average passer with average shot. Not to mention having all these demons the shrinks on the board are revealing. Run Chain Run!

Its amazing all the silly hot takes.

 

[joshjull]

That take is smoking hot.

I think staggeringly ignorantly would be a better description of that post.

 

[threeVo]

The biggest problem is that His line + Risto + McCabe is one of the highest minutes played combos in the NHL. He cant get away from those 2 idiots

 

[Snippit]

Mack having more total points than Jack was entirely due to PP production and playing 5 more games (82gms) than Jack (77gms). I think you’re searching for something thats not really a issue.

5v5 production
Jack —-> 47pts (.61ppg)
Mack —-> 47pts (.57ppg)

ES production
Jack —> 56pts (.73ppg)
Mack -> 62pts (.76ppg)

PP production
Jack —-> 26pts (.34ppg)
Mack —> 37pts (.45 ppg)

Total production
Jack —-> 82pts (1.07 ppg)
Mack —> 99pts (1.21 ppg)

True but Mackinnon was ahead of Eichel in all of these categories in 17-18, and so far in 19-20 I believe.

 

[joshjull]

True but Mackinnon was ahead of Eichel in all of these categories in 17-18, and so far in 19-20 I believe.

Last year was Jack’s 4th in the NHL. You’re talking about Mack’s 5th, 6th and now 7th. You’re missing that Jack steadily grew into that caliber player. Whereas an underperforming Mack had to snap out of that funk and went to a sports psychologist to do so. Full credit to him for doing so.

Also Jack’s first 4 years were much better than Mack’s. He also played a much tougher role during them as our #1 offense center from day 1. Whereas Mack was a winger his first 2 years then center. Make was very much underperforming.

Mack has also played with Raatanan/Landeskog during his surge of scoring the previous two years. Jack on a similar line (Skinner/Jack with occasionally Sam) put up the same type of numbers.

You’re trying to argue there is some psychological impediment to Jack’s play. That he needs to find another gear. The numbers tell us the only difference between Mack and Jack when in similar circumstances (strong linemates) is PP points. Not some need for Jack to find another gear.

You want Jack to put up 90-100pts? Then put him with Skinner/Sam and get a better PP.

 

[Chainshot]

I think staggeringly ignorantly would be a better description of that post.

I was trying to be polite and not just call it bullshit.

 

[Team Cozens]

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[Snippit]

Reverse jinx successful

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Sooo do we have to keep this thread going now? Start a new one before every game?

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Well done boys.

 

[valet]

Sooo do we have to keep this thread going now? Start a new one before every game?

Don't worry, people will find more unusual and crazy ways to hate him and blame him for everything

 

[jc17]

Don't worry, people will find more unusual and crazy ways to hate him and blame him for everything

And then unironically say "well last time I criticized him, he rebounded"

 

[FloridaSabresFan]

Don't worry, people will find more unusual and crazy ways to hate him and blame him for everything

Why not? McDavid got the same treatment last year and the year before.

 

[Gabrielor]

His team.

 

[Jim Bob]

He is in the same immature stage to becoming the game in, game out, two way beast that he has the potential to become.

Just look at the growth to that kind of player that guys like Yzerman, Sakic, and Modano went through.

And it's the same kind of stuff that Ovi hinted at when he commented about the Leafs.

 

[littletonhockeycoach]

Personal discipline and commitment.
Immaturity.

He has ALL the tools.

I want him to succeed. Being critical is not the same as blaming and being hateful.

 

[Chainshot]

Personal discipline and commitment.
Immaturity.

He has ALL the tools.

I want him to succeed. Being critical is not the same as blaming and being hateful.

It really is a matter of engagement. I would love for him to succeed too. That would mean we would be watching at least one player who is enjoyable to watch and contributing in a positive way to this team. I don’t think he’s figured out that wanting to win and the commitment it takes constantly to bring your game have to be joined. No one else is coming, there is no cavalry, this is your team Jack. Act like it.

 

[Royal Thunder]

I think his biggest issue by far is his teammates, but I have to say that Dach's 2nd goal yesterday was shockingly poor by Jack.

 

[Chainshot]

I think his biggest issue by far is his teammates, but I have to say that Dach's 2nd goal yesterday was shockingly poor by Jack.

I’m curious if I go back and search are you one of the people who used to talk about not wanting Jack to concentrate on the defensive side of the game? Because blaming his teammates for him not being engaged enough to responsibly pick up his check night after night? Or making bad changes? Or ill-timed turnovers and low success areas of the ice time after time that hand away points to other teams? That’s on him.

 

[Royal Thunder]

I’m curious if I go back and search are you one of the people who used to talk about not wanting Jack to concentrate on the defensive side of the game? Because blaming his teammates for him not being engaged enough to responsibly pick up his check night after night? Or making bad changes? Or ill-timed turnovers and low success areas of the ice time after time that hand away points to other teams? That’s on him.

No I wasn't, but I agree. My point is that if he had any sort of structure and a real team around him, things like that wouldn't be magnified so much. What you described tend to be pretty common complaints about a lot of high skill players. Pastrnak is a good example of a guy who has similar issues and is probably worse in terms of defensive engagement, but he is insulated by having a strong team around him so he can thrive. Lately Jack has to do everything for the team to have a chance.

That brutal play last night aside, I think Jack is putting in the effort this season as much as anyone on the team. Not to mention it feels like he creates more offensive chances than the rest of the team combined. He hasn't been great overall, and maybe he shouldn't have gotten the C, but I find it really hard to get on him when he has literally scored our last 5 goals and singlehandedly won us the last game. His on-ice awareness is a problem, but it's way down the list for me.