Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by bobholly39, Sep 11, 2019.
Whats your point?
It's more they haven't been able to both stay healthy at the same time for most of their careers. They're #1 and #2 in points per game since they've both been in the league (not counting Mcdavid).
If he doesn't have good goal totals means his point totals aren't that high. Pretty easily figured out by the post i made.
I don't know boss. You may know best but 4 of the 8 times he finished in the top 10, he didn't win the Richard. 3 of the times he won the Richard, he wasn't in the top 10.
I am not sure what we are arguing about. If a playmaker has a poor assist season, he isn't high in the points either. Your point was that goal scorers wouldn't be in the top 10 in points very much. 8 times so far see a lot more than not much.
One more time than Crosby and I finished top 9, so I'd say that's pretty good.
It is just rarely both of them playing a lot of games, after Malkin Rookie season they both played over 70 game only 2 time, the 2 time are the 2 season the OP is talking about.
Would they have both played 75 games or more often, it would have happened often.
To be clear i didn't say Ovechkin didn't finish top 10 often - I said I wouldn't even expect him to (ie it's impressive that he's done it so often, despite being a goal-scorer first).
If you want a better comparable to Crosby/Malkin - don't look at the Caps duo - I think Sakic/Forsberg makes more sense. 2 elite centers (probably less so than Crosby/Malkin though) - played their primes on the same team, and often also dealing with injuries (especially Forsberg).
Sakic/Forsberg finished 3x in the top 9 in scoring at the same time, compared to only once to Crosby/Malkin.
It has been uncanny how many partial seasons Malkin has played. Only five of his thirteen seasons can be reasonably called full ones. For all his injury issues, Crosby has ten full seasons.
Crosby really hasn't had that many injuries. Just the 2 that he had, happened to be really major and or misdiagnosed. The concussion and then the concussion/neck problem that was diagnosed as a concussion.
Not sure why it's so surprising considering the injury time missed (particularly Malkin since 2010) means one or the other won't play enough games to finish in the top 10 in points.
Way too generalized. Kessel never misses a game because he doesn’t hit, block shots, engage in puck battles. Is he better than a similar player who does but misses time due to injury?
Bunch of rookies. Leon and Connor did it twice...
I just used Malkin's PPG and projected his point totals from it had he played all 82 games in the seasons where he missed a ton of time.
fair enough, but the point still stands. had he played all 82, he definitely has more T-10, T-5 finishes alongside Crosby
With Malkin recently suffering a supposed long-term injury, I thought I might bump this thread.
I was looking at Crosby's records vs Malkins - and one thing that jumps out is this:
The seasons in which Malkin missed the most games are:
2011, 2014, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2010, 2019. Pretty sure that's in order of most to least missed games. The crazy part is, outside of 2007 (Malkin's rookie season), an argument can be made that Crosby's best season are, in order:
2011, 2014, 2013, 2017, 2010, 2016, 2019.
All of Crosby's best individual seasons are those in which Malkin misses the most game. And there's almost a direct correlation to how good a season Crosby has to how many games Malkin missed. Outside of 2016, it's practically in exact same order.
I wonder if this means we can expect to see Crosby have another strong season this year, especially if Malkin ends up missing a lot of time.
uhh mario being injured / sick is why its a debate.
the could have / would have is why its a top 3 with orr and lemuiex and not just the great one
I’m not sure if there is a direct correlation, but Crosby seems to start shooting a hell of a lot more when Malkin goes down. He goes from more of the playmaker to knowing that the team will need more scoring help with him not there.
im pretty sure the correlation is probably due to him coming back from injury and working on his shot while injured.
idk why it would effect anything else unless he takes malkins high bumper spot on the powerplay when he is out , where malkin scores a lot of goals being a shooting option while crosby is a net rover
maybe a mental thing where if the other guy is out they play with more desperation ?
Unfortunatly for the Penguins they have been injured quite a lot.
Oh of course, that's obvious. When Crosby has been out, Malkin has stepped up, and vice versa. Both great players so usually have the ability to dig a little deeper when needed. It's still pretty crazy the correlation between Malkin's most game missed and Crosby's best seasons, it's like it directly lines up.
I am curious to know why you chose top 9 as a parameter? Seems very random, perhaps because if you had made it a nice round figure like we're all accustomed to like say Top 10 you may not have something thread worthy?
Obviously they're both HOF locks and franchise icons with 3 cups, but with both of them don't you feel a there's around 15-20% of their career stats that was lost due to injury?
For sure, but does it really matter? They brought the city three cups, most fans would kill for that.
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