In 13 seasons together - only once did Crosby and Malkin both finish top 9 in scoring

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  1. bobholly39 Registered User

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    Thought this was interesting.

    In 2009 Malkin was 1st and Crosby 3rd.

    Than in 2018 Malkin was 4th and Crosby 10th - its the only other time they came close.

    Considering they are both top 3 players of generation - and primarily point getters - i think its pretty surprising. I knew they hadnt both had their best seasons at same time - but top 9-10 scoring isn't exactly a high bar for players of their ilk.

    Is anyone else surprised? Does that change/impact in anyway the perception of how much they benefited each other - at least for regular season success.
     
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    There's only so much scoring/opportunity to go around, especially when players are on different lines.
     
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    You wanna add a little context there OP? From 13-14 to last year here are the games played by season for Malkin: 60, 69, 57, 62, 78 (the year he finished 10th), 68

    Your fact is an indictment of Malkin's health more than anything else
     
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    This should be obvious. Surprised the OP didn't at least show the seasons where both played enough games to reasonably expect they would both be Top 10.

    Crosby has never had a PPG below 6th best outside of his 17/18 season. Malkin has nine Top Ten PPG finishes.
     
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    I suppose in terms of ppg finishes its a lot closer.

    7x they both finishes top 10. 8 if you include Crosby in 2012 (only 22 games).

    And yes of course - health is a big reason why. I still find it surprising that they havent both finished higher in the scoring at the same time more often.
     
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    For someone who isn't a fan or doesn't follow the Penguins closely I can see how that'd be surprising. But the fact really has nothing to do with the quality of their play, it's all been health-related
     
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    He finished 4th in scoring in 17/18
     
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    whoops, was thinking of Crosby. Thanks
     
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    I never said it had anything to do with the quality of their play.
     
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    You just implied it? :huh:

     
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    Like someone already mentioned above, this is more of an indictment of Malkin's health. If we assume 82 games played w/ his PPGs starting from 13/14, we get these point totals and finishes:

    13/14
    • 1.20 PPG, 98 points, 2nd in scoring to Crosby
    14/15
    • 1.01 PPG, 83 points (if you want to round), 4th in scoring (Crosby was 3rd)
    15/16
    • 1.02 PPG, 84 points, 4th in scoring (Crosby was 3rd)
    16/17
    • 1.16 PPG, 95 points, 2nd in scoring (Crosby would have been 3rd). Relax Crosby fans, if Sid played all 82, he would've been second.
    17/18
    • Finished 4th in scoring with 98 points. This is the only season out of these where he has played over at least, 70 games, and look where he finished. Would've finished 2nd to McDavid had he played 82.
    18/19
    • 1.06 PPG, 87 points, would've have finished 17th.

    So in the past 6 seasons, had Malkin played 82 games, these would've been his finishes

    Malkin: 2, 2, 2, 4, 4, 17

    as opposed to Crosby who played at least 75 games in all these 6 seasons.

    I don't know about you but that's damn impressive.
     
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    Being and staying healthy is no longer seen as a good thing.

    Its all about the oh but did you see his points per games wow so amazing.

    Lemiuex might have been the better player between he and gretzky but lemiuex is no where close to gretzky when it comes to the greatest of all time because he just couldn't stay on the ice long enough to challenge him.
     
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    You guys are being way too sensitive.

    Im expressing surprise that they both havent had seasons they finished top 9 in. Im not saying nor implying its because they arent good.
     
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    If you give Malkin 82 games, you need to give everyone else 82 games like MacKinnon in 17/18. That changes a few of his 2nd places.
     
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    Noone should have had that perception to begin with (outside of Cap fans).
     
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    Not sure if we're looking at different things but here's what I have for their PPG finishes. Obviously this ignores the fact that Sid only played 22 games in 11/12

    YearSidGeno
    05/066
    06/07119
    07/0823
    08/0932
    09/1048
    10/11137
    11/1212
    12/13114
    13/1412
    14/1517
    15/1645
    16/1724
    17/18133
    18/19524

    OP: They've finished in the top 8 together in 8 of 13 seasons.
     
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    Backstrom and Ovechkin both in the top 9 only twice. Not sure this is a big deal.
     
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    Points per game doesn't count. You don't win an Art Ross with points per game.
     
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    There are only ~15 posts in this thread. Do us all a favor and read them for context before you come in here replying with words that are anything but relevant
     
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    Why top 9 and not top 10?
     
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    Backstrom doesn't really belong in this conversation, though.
     
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    I mean the OP isnt so long that you cant read it is it?

    I mentioned if you go to top 10 it adds one more year in 2018.

    And i also mentionned further down if you look at ppg they have 7 top 10 finishes at same time (8 if you count 2012 for Crosby)

    I still find it surprising they dont have at least a couple more seasons where they both factored into the scoring race at same time.
     
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    Backstrom doesnt exactly scream perennial top 10 scorer to me though. Maybe in a few career years

    Even Ovechkin is more of a goal scorer and they often score less overall points so i wouldn't expect him to show up top 10 all that much.
     
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    8 times so far with 1 Art Ross isn't that much?
     
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    So the only tines he gets into the top 10 is if he wins the rocket.
     

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