Discussion in 'Fugu's Business of Hockey Forum' started by Pepper, Mar 16, 2005.
hmmm...I guess only time will tell if replacement players are coming next year
one thing is for sure....there will NHL hockey come October
I don't know about that. The owners don't have a great case in court to begin with so why stop negotiating so soon in order to try an impasse? That meeting could be for a number of things and it seems like the writer was just guessing what it was. It could also be because Bettman feels they will be able to make a deal in the next month and is setting a date to pressure both sides. He could set that meeting with intentions of walking in with a CBA and taking a vote on it.
On top of that, why would Bettman come out and say they will leave linkage out of negotiations until June 1 if he only intended to negotiate until late April? Doesn't make much sense.
An impass on 4:20 day?
Pressure tactic leak right here.
This is it, the deadline has been set. PA and NHL has exactly one month to get the deal done or it's going to NLRB.
where in the world is it set in stone that replacements= Union cave. sure almost TWENTY years ago the NFL used it and now everyone thinks its some sort of great final solution to labor wars in sports.
Forget the legal challenges for a sec, but if the NHL can't get american eye balls to watch the worlds best think espn, fsn or TSN wants to televise scrubs? think corporate sponcers are going give anything(!) for no names in NHL jerseys?
Gary Bettamans brilliance has made the NHL a punchline from up and comming league in 10 years, yet the BOG are going to follow him off the cliff (again) with this latest idea?
"oh yea Plan A, B, C, D.....ect hasn't worked yet, BUT Q Really thats going to do it!"
It also seems like the writer has no editing/proofreading capabilities or resources.
If nobody but a niche market cares about the sport that you wish to play, shouldn't your income be reflective of your position as a second-tier sport the way it's reflected in the owners' franchise values?
Franchise values are set in the open market. Shouldn't players' incomes also be?
From the article:
That's not a good attitude if you want the NLRB to cerify that you've bargained in good faith.
Ding Ding.. a targeted leak no doubt.
The market it is the NHL vs the rest of the world. If a rival league paid a player salary of 2m avg the NHL would have to compete with that.
The value of a franchise is a notional one until sold, and based in large part on expenses vs revenues. A players income, however, is payable in the current fiscal year, no matter what. If a group of businesses are able to agree with their employees on a structure that keeps all businesses healthy and all employees employed, then the values of those franchises would go up, and salaries would rise as owners capacity to pay them increase through a healthier cash flow.
It's only pressure if the players were still clueless as to the future.
They're dumb, but not that dumb.
The thing is... at what point do these pressure tactics start to ring hollow? I mean, if a bunch of goofballs like us on a message board can detect a pressure tactic, can't a bunch of goofballs in the NHLPA do the same?
It seems to me the only source for this "deadline" is the writer's crystal ball...
Sounds like a guess on his part, nothing more.
NHL Hockey? They may dress up a bunch of minor leaguers disguised in our teams uniforms and play hockey. But it wont be NHL hockey. It will be a season long league of players on temporary tryout contracts in a year long CBC-Making the Cut. Did you watch it last year?
Or are they going to ban all members of the PA and start all over with new permanent players? What Sens fan wouldnt relish that opportunity?
The streets of Ottawa would be eerily quiet as Ottawa fans are home actually watching their team play in May.
wasn't there an article somewhere stating that at least 6 teams refuse to play scabs? lil' Gary Bettman is just pissing into the wind here.
This is ridiculous, when are these idiots going to stop negotiating through the media.....
GET THIS AND GET IT GOOD...YOU HAVE BOTH LOST THE PR WAR, GET A DEAL DONE AND START THE RECOVERY PROCESS ALREADY!!!
sorry 'bout the caps, I'm a little tired of these baby bleep tactics......
1. The players/NHLPA don't run an open market. Why should they be able to claim open market immunity.
2. What is the open market price for a hockey player this year? Its a long, long, long way short of the what the NHL is offering. Perhaps the NHL should lower its offer to match the European wages.
You mean..one thing for sure..there will be a lot of empty building and crappy players skating around in NHL jerseys come October.
I'd rather pay 30 bucks to see players who want to play rather than pay 80 bucks to see Bobby Holik and Jammy Jagr float around (aka. overpaid sacks of guts).
What makes you think your thirty buck "players" won't be over be overpaid bags of entrails?
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