Ilya Mikheyev

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If you have to trade a player to keep Mikheyev, you're going to have to trade one of Nylander, Kapanen or Johnson. Nylander makes $6.9 mil, Johnson 3.4 mil, and Kapanen 3.2 mil. Right now those three are on pace for more or less the same amount of points. In my opinion, you trade Nylander. I used to love the guy but let's face it, he's super soft and isn't a playoff performer. He was awful last year and a non-factor in the Boston series. If he can bounce back this year, that's great- his trade value will go up and can be used as trade bait. Leafs can thus clear that $6.9 mil in exchange for a top 4 cost-controlled Dman. And Mikheyev can be resigned on a cheap 1-2 year bridge deal or a 3-4 year deal like they did with Kap/Johnson.
 
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MyBudJT

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Time to start the keefe countdown?

1) This isn't the appropriate thread for this kind of post
2) 0% chance Keefe leaves the Marlies this season. If Babs does get fired (big if), its likely Hakstol that becomes coach.
 

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This guy needs to get onto the PP immediately.

He’s averaging 8 seconds/game and has all the skills to be a shooter, bumper, or net front presence on either unit.

He has the highest even strength production on the team outside of Matthews.

He’s getting 16:07 TOI total thus far, with about 2:30 of that on the PK.
 
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This guy needs to get onto the PP immediately.

He’s averaging 8 seconds/game and has all the skills to be a shooter, bumper, or net front presence on either unit.

He has the highest even strength production on the team outside of Matthews.

He’s getting 16:07 TOI total thus far, with about 2:30 of that on the PK.

I think Babs should start to transition him into a more offensive role, if JT comes back before Hyman, try Mikheyev with JT-Marner in the same role and see what happens. And like you said, he could be an ideal addition to a PP that is void of any big body net presence or a solid shot.
 

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If Mikheyev were to get $7M AAV in the off season, that would leave the Leafs with $9M in cap space (pending an increase) to acquire/sign/promote 6 defensemen, 4 forwards and a backup goalie. A 30/30 season for Mikheyev would be his ticket out of town and make the 2020-21 Leafs even weaker.
 

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If Mikheyev were to get $7M AAV in the off season, that would leave the Leafs with $9M in cap space (pending an increase) to acquire/sign/promote 6 defensemen, 4 forwards and a backup goalie. A 30/30 season for Mikheyev would be his ticket out of town and make the 2020-21 Leafs even weaker.

you seem to be missing the point, the Leafs can not afford Mikheyev at 7, most likely he signs a bridge but if he demands top dollar and term then you have a young top 6 forward RFA with size coming off a 30/30 that you can trade for an NHL ready D or PWF prospect that can be inserted in to the lineup now
 
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This team is like a road construction crew.

You got a bunch of guys standing around doing **** all and one guy with the shovel working his tail off.

Our star players are the guys standing around and Mikheyev is the guy with the shovel.

Most of the time, this team is like an office staff.

You got a bunch of guys sitting around doing absolutely no physical work, 100% relying on their skill set.

Granted the Leafs have the skills to win, what they lack is a mental edge which lets opponents know
they will never give up, never give an inch. An opponent who's losing 4-1, they haven't had their
spirit broken playing against the Leafs. Soup is showing some great work, but what the Leafs need
is everyone to play to an effort that you can see the other team's shoulders drop in defeat before
the game is over.
 

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He wont be getting 30/30 he has had a hot start and is on pace for 23g 58p likely finishes at 20-25 goals ~50 points that is not a $7M player. That is a little bit higher than kapanen/Johnsson level player both players signed for $3.2/$3.4M in 3/4 years term. Mikayev will have 1 ~50 point season $4M and short term is all he will get, especially after lous Zaitsev disaster contract. Stop panicking
 

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you seem to be missing the point, the Leafs can not afford Mikheyev at 7, most likely he signs a bridge but if he demands top dollar and term then you have a young top 6 forward RFA with size coming off a 30/30 that you can trade for an NHL ready D or PWF prospect that can be inserted in to the lineup now

A 25 year old Russian doesn't come over the pond to delay his biggest payday with a bridge contract.

True, he could be traded. For some lesser players no doubt because their most important characteristic is that they're ticketed to make considerably less than the player.

Remember I'm arguing about managing his usage only, keeping him on the 3rd line where he's clearly contributing positively.
 

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He wont be getting 30/30 he has had a hot start and is on pace for 23g 58p likely finishes at 20-25 goals ~50 points that is not a $7M player. That is a little bit higher than kapanen/Johnsson level player both players signed for $3.2/$3.4M in 3/4 years term. Mikayev will have 1 ~50 point season $4M and short term is all he will get, especially after lous Zaitsev disaster contract. Stop panicking

The 30/30 is speculation of what he might produce if he were elevated to the 1st line.
 

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The 30/30 is speculation of what he might produce if he were elevated to the 1st line.

OK and there is zero signs of that. Babcock is still coach right? Hyman is going straight back with JT and Marner as soon as he comes back, And johnsson is performing well. Also even a 30/30 season isn't worth $7M, people endlessly whinging about Nylander at $7M after 2! 60 points seasons now think 1 season rewarded at $7M that's crazy. And its never going to happen because Zaitsev they would be stupid to pay a player in $$$ and term after 1 season
 

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OK and there is zero signs of that. Babcock is still coach right? Hyman is going straight back with JT and Marner as soon as he comes back, And johnsson is performing well. Also even a 30/30 season isn't worth $7M, people endlessly whinging about Nylander at $7M after 2! 60 points seasons now think 1 season rewarded at $7M that's crazy. And its never going to happen because Zaitsev they would be stupid to pay a player in $$$ and term after 1 season

Since goals are generally believed to be worth more, maybe it's more. Remember that Johnsson got $3.4M for a single season of 20/23.

Again, I'm arguing against promoting Mikheyev in the lineup and production boost that would cause. It would be like when Zaitsev got oodles of offensive defenseman usage in his rookie season turning him from the $2.5M defender he is into a $4.5M defender.
 

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He wont be getting 30/30 he has had a hot start and is on pace for 23g 58p likely finishes at 20-25 goals ~50 points that is not a $7M player. That is a little bit higher than kapanen/Johnsson level player both players signed for $3.2/$3.4M in 3/4 years term. Mikayev will have 1 ~50 point season $4M and short term is all he will get, especially after lous Zaitsev disaster contract. Stop panicking

Funny, you don't say the same thing about Nylander! ;)
 

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Mikheyev is going to get 5M, minimum.

He'll still be worth keeping around at that number, IMO. Even if we have to trade a Johnsson or a Kapanen or a Nylander....
 

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Since goals are generally believed to be worth more, maybe it's more. Remember that Johnsson got $3.4M for a single season of 20/23.

Again, I'm arguing against promoting Mikheyev in the lineup and production boost that would cause. It would be like when Zaitsev got oodles of offensive defenseman usage in his rookie season turning him from the $2.5M defender he is into a $4.5M defender.

Who gives a shit about his contract if he gives us a chance to win this year higher up the lineup. If he produces 30/30 he will have really good trade value. You don't not promote him to keep his contract down if he is best option up the lineup. I don't believe he is BEST option up the lineup, depending of course how hyman returns. He is a nice player to have not a must have player
 

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Since goals are generally believed to be worth more, maybe it's more. Remember that Johnsson got $3.4M for a single season of 20/23.

Again, I'm arguing against promoting Mikheyev in the lineup and production boost that would cause. It would be like when Zaitsev got oodles of offensive defenseman usage in his rookie season turning him from the $2.5M defender he is into a $4.5M defender.

Johnsson also signed a four year contract (with one year of UFA bought) for that 3.4 M.

I'd only peg Matthews and Tavares as expected 30 goal scorers, so Mikheyev would be in select company if he manages to hit that mark, in my opinion. That would probably give the team a really good boost.

I wouldn't say the cap hit was as problematic with Zaitsev as much as the term was. Of course, Zaitsev is also a RHD, which aren't the easiest of players to obtain and retain.
 

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Who gives a **** about his contract if he gives us a chance to win this year higher up the lineup. If he produces 30/30 he will have really good trade value. You don't not promote him to keep his contract down if he is best option up the lineup. I don't believe he is BEST option up the lineup, depending of course how hyman returns. He is a nice player to have not a must have player

As far as I'm concerned the Leafs have been doing this otherwise. They limited Kappy's/Johnsson's PP time last season. They've been using players like Spezza, Moore and Kapanen on the 2nd PP over Mikheyev to date when it's kind of clear Mikheyev would be a better choice. This season they demoted a clearly better defenseman (Sandin) for AHL fodder (Gravel, Marincin) to play in his place presumably to manage his contract situation.
 

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