Regarding Jessiman, he's honestly not dropping too much on most peoples' lists. Before the Rangers picked Jessiman at 12 most people had Jessiman going around the early 20s, so he really hasn't dropped too much.#37-#93-#27 said:One things for sure, he's done nothing to hurt himself so I too am puzzled why he'd drop down more then half the selections specially when you consider the likely reasons he was drafted was his size and the fact his determination is strong (by the Rangers that is), I'm sure he'd still be atop their draft list once it's time for their selection.
Kryoptix said:1- Marc-Andre Fleury
2- Eric Staal
3- Nathan Horton
4- Nikolai Zherdev
5- Milan Michalek
6- Dion Phaneuf
7- Ryan Suter
8- Thomas Vanek
9- Jeff Carter
10- Andrei Kostitsyn
11- Zach Parise
12- Braydon Coburn
13- Dustin Brown
14- Patrice Bergeron
15- Anthony Stewart
16- Hugh Jessiman
17- Brent Seabrooke
18- Brent Burns
19- Steve Bernier
20- Ryan Kesler
21- Mike Richards
22- Shawn Belle
23- Mark Stuart
24- Robert Nilsson
25- Ryan Getzlaf
26- Eric Fehr
27- Jeff Tambellini
28- Marc-Antoine Pouliot
29- Patrick Eaves
30- Patrick O'Sullivan
...
the first 15 picks were easy to make .. but after it's a lot tougher ..
in trying to not be biased toward canadians..
anyway this is my opinion ..
Vlad The Impaler said:How is that a significant factor?
I can see how that makes him more valuable for the Rangers. Hometown talent is nice and all. But how does that fact make him a significantly better prospect?
Getzlaf was IMO the worst player on the Burns-Carter-Getzlaf line ...ducksflytogether said:Care to elaborate why Getzlaf drops 6 picks? He had a good WJC, has done well in the Dub, and the only thing stopping him from making the Ducks this year was the CBA. He'd go top 15 if the draft was done over again, most likely.
Also, why is Jessiman at #16?
Sharks wanted to trade up to draft him so obviously there was interest in drafting him high by other teams.flyers guy said:Regarding Jessiman, he's honestly not dropping too much on most peoples' lists. Before the Rangers picked Jessiman at 12 most people had Jessiman going around the early 20s, so he really hasn't dropped too much.
It's just that the Rangers were higher on him than most of the posters here were, (same with the Flyers and Carter, most people saw him going in the late teens) so his ranking really is about the same on most of the posters' lists.
Brock said:Well O Sullivan would probably be a top 20 pick for me.
I'll take a stab at redoing this maybe later, but Off the top of my head Patty O would be a top 20 pick if i was running the draft.
I get the chance to see him a good amount because I live beside Mississauaga and IMO he's the most talented player in the OHL. His offensive abilities are absolutely top flight and his defensive game is improving too, which is good news. He pretty much creates scoring opportunities everytime he steps on the ice.
Essentially I'd like to wipe my arse with all of these supposed character issues and wipe it in the face of every GM whom passed on him in the second round and let them get a nice whiff of the hand they dealt themselves.
Rabid Ranger said:That wasn't my point. The assertion was Jessiman should have dropped in the draft. I asked why, and the answer was "he's a project". In response, I cited not only Jessiman's immense talent and upside, but also the fact that he is NYC born as factors why he wouldn't have dropped past the 10th overall pick, which the Rangers held. I was dealing with one specific example, not making a broad reaching statement.
DanielBriere48 said:If Minnesota wins another championship (They probably will), it will be because of Vanek.
cagney said:Do you even follow NCAA hockey?
BartG101 said:Do you?
They're 8-1-2 over their past 11 games.
Anksun said:Kastsitsyn have done little for now to goes up in the standing but nothing to goes down.
He was draft at 10 because of somes health issues. 6 months with absolutly no signs of health problems by itself is a +. And his performance in CSKA-2 isnt too shaby.
Of course he's not in nhl but for now, no way he would be pick after 10th spot.
Brock said:Essentially I'd like to wipe my arse with all of these supposed character issues and wipe it in the face of every GM whom passed on him in the second round and let them get a nice whiff of the hand they dealt themselves.
And I do agree that people are truly now seing that we weren't all lying when we said that this draft was the best ever.
Just one interesting detail, i forgot to mention. In the CSKA current line-up there are tree young forwards besides Kastitsyn. Isles prospect Chernykh (1985), Dubinin (1985) and Parshin (1986). And they all looking much better than Kastitsyn, who often remains invicible on the ice. At least his young teamates playing with much more passion and desire. I have received such impression watching some CSKA games this season.X-SHARKIE said:Zherdev over Kastisyn, I still would take that. BUT! Don't let his disapointing year deflate his stock, everybody has off years, Look at Mike Modano, arguably the best Center in the league has been a big disapointment, but the Stars still would have him over 98% of the players in the league.
Don't let one year fool you, Teams draft these guys all knowing hey, "It's going to be 5 years on average from now before we see what he can really do". Kastisyn oooozes potential, plus he just works his as* off. I still would take him top 10 even with this season mabey. Thomas Vanek, IMO He really looks like he's going to score some goals some day in the NHL, even though he looked awful at the WJC, on a awful team may I add, and he has been very so so in Minnesota, It doesnt mean I think he shouldn't even be top 10! I think Thomas Vanek should be out of the top 5, the Sabres may be wise to sign him next year, Vanek has an attitude problem, Zherdev is 10 x's as mature then he is, and thats just sad. Bring him up next year and put him in the AHL and teach him some things, and add some details to the game, show him how to act like a pro, and stop being a pee wee. I still like Vanek as a prospect. Just his attitude AHHH
Kryoptix said:Getzlaf was IMO the worst player on the Burns-Carter-Getzlaf line ...
he didn't show any creativity with the puck and didn't use his size like he could .. not a top skater too ... he was OK at the WJC and that's a stretch IMO! I was hoping more from him ! especially on the 1st line!
and for Jessiman he wasn't on the USA WJC squad and that worry me a little bit ... especially when you are a first round pick ...
anyway IMO he's a project .. and he'll take some times to develop ..
still good potential (this is why i kept him 16)