Post-Game Talk: If Reider had scored, we'd probably of won 5-1

[Messrules11]

All that fire and determination and he's still not as good a player as Nuge lol.

He isn’t paid 6M though is he? Kass is a fine player for 1.9M. If Nuge is as good as everyone here thinks he is he should bring a great return in a trade. No?

 

[ElysiumAB]

He isn’t paid 6M though is he? Kass is a fine player for 1.9M. If Nuge is as good as everyone here thinks he is he should bring a great return in a trade. No?

I think everyone can agree RNH is the best forward on the team, in 1 out of every 22 games.

Source: Eyes

 

[Little Fury]

He isn’t paid 6M though is he?

Correct. Because he's not as good. Which tells you something about how much "fire and determination" matters.

If Nuge is as good as everyone here thinks he is he should bring a great return in a trade. No?

If he's as good as we say he is, why would we trade him? You don't win by constantly cycling out good players. The last few years are evidence of that.

If the answer is "to fill some holes" I'd invite you to look at what players who are certainly superior to Nuge with comparable salaries and ages have returned in trades over the past few years because you'd find the answer is "not a helluva lot".

 

[CycloneSweep]

He isn’t paid 6M though is he? Kass is a fine player for 1.9M. If Nuge is as good as everyone here thinks he is he should bring a great return in a trade. No?

Okay. This team isn't in a spot to move one of our only good players for f***ing parts though.

That's like saying "I'm pretty ugly, Imma chop off my nose, sell it and use that money to replace my missing teeth"

 

[Little Fury]

How sad is it that we are comparing nuge to gagner to make him look good. Fact is, we make the conference finals 2 years ago if nuge showed a pulse. We probably are fighting for a playoff spot this year if he doesn't disappear down the stretch also.

I know math is hard but you are aware that the Oilers have been basically done and dusted playoffs-wise since December, right?

Nuge is not a big game player. Doesn't have the drive to be great. He will play a long time in this league but wont make much of a difference. If we can move him for a cheap winger and pick up a guy like kadri, we will be better off.

Yeah because this team's been in so many big games in his career. What a pile of piffle.

 

[Louis Cypher]

So we are running RNH out of town now? Good plan as we have lots of guys to pick up the slack once hes gone. FFS. Our forward depth is AHL caliber outside of 5 guys.

 

[Little Fury]

So we are running RNH out of town now? Good plan as we have lots of guys to pick up the slack once hes gone. FFS. Our forward depth is AHL caliber outside of 5 guys.

5? Who are the other two?

 

[Messrules11]

Correct. Because he's not as good. Which tells you something about how much "fire and determination" matters.



If he's as good as we say he is, why would we trade him? You don't win by constantly cycling out good players. The last few years are evidence of that.

If the answer is "to fill some holes" I'd invite you to look at what players who are certainly superior to Nuge with comparable salaries and ages have returned in trades over the past few years because you'd find the answer is "not a helluva lot".

So you would prefer guys that just go through the motions and collect a pay cheque? Great, this team will never make the playoffs with that philosophy. Let’s just keep wasting the McD window with the status quo then. Trading Hall was stupid, it should have been Nuge. Let’s trade a MVP winger so we can pay Nuge to be a 3rd line center and play wing because we have no wingers.

 

[Little Fury]

So you would prefer guys that just go through the motions and collect a pay cheque?

If they produce, I don't care. Anyway, I reject your armchair psychoanalysis.

Let’s just keep wasting the McD window with the status quo then.

Right because trading Nuge and doing nothing are the only options. Good lord.

Trading Hall was stupid, it should have been Nuge. Let’s trade a MVP winger so we can pay Nuge to be a 3rd line center and play wing because we have no wingers

Imagine hating the Hall trade but not actually understanding why the trade was bad.

 

[Messrules11]

Okay. This team isn't in a spot to move one of our only good players for ****ing parts though.

That's like saying "I'm pretty ugly, Imma chop off my nose, sell it and use that money to replace my missing teeth"

What parts? Trade Nuge, use Rieder’s 2M and spend 8M on a difference maker.

 

[Messrules11]

If they produce, I don't care. Anyway, I reject your armchair psychoanalysis.



Right because trading Nuge and doing nothing are the only options. Good lord.



Imagine hating the Hall trade but not actually understanding why the trade was bad.

You Nuge lovers make me sick. Enjoy the basement

 

[Little Fury]

What parts? Trade Nuge, use Rieder’s 2M and spend 8M on a difference maker.

And end up with the exact same problem we have today only now you're paying an extra $2M for the privilege.

 

[OilerTyler]

What parts? Trade Nuge, use Rieder’s 2M and spend 8M on a difference maker.

Who is the $8 million difference maker that is going to come to Edmonton?

 

[Little Fury]

You Nuge lovers make me sick. Enjoy the basement

Solid argument. Really got me with the facts and logic there.

#SOFDTO

 

[Little Fury]

Who is the $8 million difference maker that is going to come to Edmonton?

"Come to Edmonton, we have McDavid. Oh, you don't get to actually play with him, but how does having Joe Gambardella and Josh Currie as your wingers sound? I mean we'd love to get someone better, but we're paying you $8M and Leon and Connor $21 mil so we're a little strapped at the moment."

 

[jeffff]

I would love to know what Kassian said to Connor that made Connor laugh and give him a shove.

Despite all the crap this year, little things like that make it easier to swallow. I think the locker is a much tighter than people realize.

 

[Drivesaitl]

If they produce, I don't care. Anyway, I reject your armchair psychoanalysis.



Right because trading Nuge and doing nothing are the only options. Good lord.



Imagine hating the Hall trade but not actually understanding why the trade was bad.

You mean acquiring a #1 D which Nicholson still has on the top of his things to do list? There was no reason for the trade, and it certainly didn't help the club. Maybe I'm not understanding your last point.

 

[Faelko]

You Nuge lovers make me sick. Enjoy the basement

You can’t honestly believe we’re in the basement because of RNH?

 

[Little Fury]

You mean acquiring a #1 D which Nicholson still has on the top of his things to do list? There was no reason for the trade, and it certainly didn't help the club. Maybe I'm not understanding your last point.

Well, the trade was bad for a lot of reasons, but my point is speaking to the fact that it represented a bleed out of talent for less than fair value, which is exactly what you'll get if you trade nuge at this juncture. If anything, trading Nuge at this point is even worse because you could at least make the argument that the Oilers had forward depth when they dealt Hall. They sure don't have that now.

 

[Faelko]

I think everyone can agree RNH is the best forward on the team, in 1 out of every 22 games.

Source: Eyes

That’s actually not bad when the team has McDavid and Draisaitl on it...

 

[Drivesaitl]

Well, the trade was bad for a lot of reasons, but my point is speaking to the fact that it represented a bleed out of talent for less than fair value, which is exactly what you'll get if you trade nuge at this juncture. If anything, trading Nuge at this point is even worse because you could at least make the argument that the Oilers had forward depth when they dealt Hall. They sure don't have that now.

Thanks for clarifying. Agree with that.

 

[Drivesaitl]

You can’t honestly believe we’re in the basement because of RNH?

Its because of Rieder dammit, read the news..

 

[Messrules11]

You can’t honestly believe we’re in the basement because of RNH?

In 8 years he is the one constant. For this being his career year take away his pp points and he has 37 points and is -16, only Larsson is worse at -22

 

[OilerTyler]

It always amazes me that people can look at this roster, one of the worst groups of forwards ever assembled, and decide that one of the three forwards producing at a respectable rate is the problem with the team.

 

[Little Fury]

In 8 years he is the one constant.

Same thing people said about Hall. And Eberle.

For this being his career year take away his pp points and he has 37 points and is -16, only Larsson is worse at -22
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Sure it's a career year but what if we just pretended some of those points just didn't exist! Not so great now, huh!