Discussion in 'Montreal Canadiens' started by Lshap, May 4, 2021 at 11:27 AM.
Imagine what a first round win would do.
It's our new standard, our new Stanley Cup.
If you notice his phrasing, there's the word "after", meaning we were barely hanging on before those 3 wins. Calgary came to 4 points before those 3 wins.
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ok, I corrected it.
It is so damn sad how far we have fallen.., do people even realize we are getting close to 30 years without a cup? Yes, 30...
30 yrs without winning is one thing... We're getting close to 30 yrs without even being remotely close/having a contending roster.
That's absolutely pathetic in any pro sports league, let alone for a franchise that once considered excellence the goal.
If MB is fired, his gym buddy TT, also needs to be fired. This guy has more lives than a cat
Imagine injuries catch up with them at some point. But should make playoffs.
I call Habs exciting young team. Get injured bodies back could be dangerous in playoffs.
With Cole, then Gallagher, along with Anderson and Toffoil. We should have wingers to score. At some point those young centers should mature. Should be fire power there
Certainly not enough to be fired over.
In a world of extreme reductionism, you would have a point.
It took how many yrs to TOR before having the 1st ?
Neither will he get a 5-year contract extension.
1 year before. They committed to the rebuild when the drafted Marner and intentionally only tanked for Matthews.
They are on rebuild since I follow hockey (2004) and they where lucky in 2016/2017 when they won the Matthews lottery and that Tavares wanted to play in TOR. I don't think Toronto is a model to follow.
GMs almost never work on 1-yr deals, he’s either getting canned or extended...I’d be shocked if he gets canned
In total fairness to Toronto, they just plain sucked for years until they started towards their real rebuild. I mean, we were never rebuilding but missed the playoffs so many times as well.
I get people like to point to Buffalo and Edmonton as tank examples that haven't panned out, but at the same time, I can point back at teams like Chicago. Of course, teams like Boston just figure it out. Toronto tanked with intent, and despite their multiple first round failures, they've been making the playoffs with consistency and are a threat during the regular season in recent history. Sure, they were lucky, but they did it right at least compared to the other two examples.
End of the day, it isn't so much the, um, lack of tanking I think is the issue but the lack of direction. Are we fast? Are we big? Are we a team with pace or a team who traps? We're essentially on our 3rd coach in MB's tenure and have gone through 3 systems, though in fairness to DD, no regular practices and starting mid-season hasn't helped.
Totally agree on that ! We need to have an identity and acquired player that fit that identity. That's what good teams like Boston/St-Louis/San Jose (less now but for the last 15 yrs)/Vegas does.
That is a scary proposition... Sadly, not hard to see Molson do something like that.
Yep, it's probably this summer that we will know if we change GM are we stay with MB for an other 5 yrs
There is a 3rd option (as remote as it may be). If Hawks rid themselves of Stanley, I’m convinced they’d go after MB, and there could very well be mutual interest, and it would be an easy out for Molson w everyone saving face
GM's are fired all the time based on results. Especially when they've been around a while. I'm surprised with all the "he won't be fired" comments at top of thread. Not saying he will be for sure - but I think there's a good chance. I think how we do in the playoffs will be instrumental.
There's a lot of reasons to dislike Bergevin. But - I also think he's done a lot of great things lately, including:
- We went from having no top 6 centers ~2-3 years ago, to having too many. That's a hell of a turn around. I know we don't have any Matthews/McDavid caliber centers - but we have Suzuki, KK, Danault - we have Phoeling and Evans also for depth. We even had Domi who we got rid of because we had too much.
- Big Trade Wins. Pacioretty Trade, Galchenyuk trade (Domi fizzled out in yr 2 but was fantastic year 1), Anderson trade (and we traded Domi after he fizzled out and Anderson is great so far).
- Big UFA signings (Toffoli, what a steal)
- Fired Julien. Wasn't passive. My biggest complain of Bergevin has always been how passive and complacent he is. I hate the Subban trade more than anyone here maybe - but i'm less upset about the actual trade then I am about him not firing Therrien earlier that season. He kept him way too long, the atmosphere became absolutely toxic, and something had to give - and unfortunately it's PK they traded. I don't think Julien had the same issue, players liked him more - but still, they weren't performing, don't be afraid to make a chance. So I'm glad he did. Whether I like Ducharme or not is still TBD, but so far not really
- Some high profile prospects. Like Romanov. Or Caulfield especially. We'll see how good they turn out.
So - as much as people complain about him all the time, I think he's done some really, really great things in recent years. It's a hell of a recovery for him based on where team was ~3-4 years ago when everything was going to shit.
Going back to my first sentence - GM's are fired all the time for results. Despite me liking a lot of his recent moves - I'd be fine if Habs fire him if we flame out in playoffs. And give someone else the reigns. But i'm also fine bringing him back.
Yes Stan Bowman contract finish at the end of the yrs, so they could maybe promote Bowman to only President (He's president + GM since this yrs) and name Bergevin GM
They absolutely were not on a rebuild since 2004. They were just shit and mediocre. They only committed to a rebuild, coined the Shanaplan, the year they drafted Marner.
The result are that where not making the playoff since it's his team and not Gainey one
If you fire him on lack of results - sure, it's warranted. Im just saying he's made a lot of good moves lately.
Absolutely, a complete change is needed in the Habs Org.
Only in Laval they all keep their jobs, things are finally working well since Bouchard took over
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