If Draisaitl wins the Art Ross this year..

[Icebreakers]

And then you add the fact that shorthand goals for and again count towards ds your plus-minus, and the even strength thing is completely false.

Well I did say when you get scored on when your on the pp. But I get it now.

 

[MadLuke]

You don't get a minus for being on the ice for an empty net goal. It's only even strength that it counts for . Or if you get scored on the pp.

It is strange but googling this give conflicting result, why is this not clear.....

Looking here:
Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Draisaitl

Even Strenght (he is -1 at 5v5)
GF: 67
GA: 67

On the power play:
GF: 49
GA: 10

Penalty killing:
GF: +0
GA: -4

With empty net:
GF: 4
GA: 10

Against empty net:
GF: 6
GA: 2

So 10 goal for and 12 goal against in empty net situation's, it is not a big factor for him if they count.

Seem like a 0 player that get -10 because he is playing on the power play and not on the penalty killing, not because of empty nets (he seem to play a lot against a team with an empty net and it's almost balance out).

Being a -1 player at event strenght, with that many point and a 102.1 pdo is quite spectacular, but it is still much better than the Oilers when he is not on the ice (they are -11).

 

[Connor McConnor]

It really is sad that him and McDavid are minus players. Moral of the story: dont give them a PP and the Oilers are easy to beat.

Just don't give Washington a PP and Ovi is a 30 goal scorer

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

He just needs to not get outplayed 5-on-5. Is that too much to ask?

His even strength Corsi is 47.6 and Fenwick 47.8.

Sort the league by Corsi and Fenwick. It's more a reflection of the team you're on than individual ability.

Did Patrick Maroon suddenly become a dominant ES player when he moved from Edmonton?

 

[Truthteller]

Did you watch him in overtime yesterday? He gave it away for two breakaways, but lucky for him Carolina was awful and he ended up assisting the Oilers GWG instead. He is a turnover machine so his plus/minus makes sense.

No he didn't unless you mean the trip that was not called as giving it away?

 

[Truthteller]

9 empty netters will do that to your stats in close losses.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

Except trying to slow down Draisaitl and McDavid typically results in penalties. Play clean and they will start to torch you

I feel like that is contradictive. Can we not assume from their minus season that they let in more goals than they score in 5v5? So if you play clean against them, they stay 5v5, and you win?

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I feel like that is contradictive. Can we not assume from their minus season that they let in more goals than they score in 5v5? So if you play clean against them, they stay 5v5, and you win?

If you play clean against them (especially McDavid), he gets a step on you and scores
The amount of interference/obstruction that McDavid has to deal with is ridiculous
If the refs called it objectively, he would earn 3-4 PPs/game on his own

He's not the only player this happens to. Crosby/MacKinnon/Gaudrea/Pettersson/etc.. also have to deal with this garbage.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

Oilers with a healthy roster and 97 and 29...**** on Colorado in a 7 game series.

Paper tiger ....

Right...

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

If you play clean against them (especially McDavid), he gets a step on you and scores
The amount of interference/obstruction that McDavid has to deal with is ridiculous
If the refs called it objectively, he would earn 3-4 PPs/game on his own

He's not the only player this happens to. Crosby/MacKinnon/Gaudrea/Pettersson/etc.. also have to deal with this garbage.

I get that and agree with it, but that doesnt explain how hes a minus player. Because he is a minus player, that means he has been scored on more than he has scored at even strength.

 

[SecretOilersFan]

It really is sad that him and McDavid are minus players. Moral of the story: dont give them a PP and the Oilers are easy to beat.

Except he has been a +10 positive since the year started. Drai has just been making it up because he went -24 in December. The Oilers played really bad that month. They will be positive by the end of the year.

 

[MadLuke]

I get that and agree with it, but that doesnt explain how hes a minus player. Because he is a minus player, that means he has been scored on more than he has scored at even strength.

Offensive star get a lot of their minus with the goal against while on the power play, power play time always give you some minus at that stats, Draisaitl get -10 when he is on the powerplay.

 

[Mez]

Oilers 5v5 were pretty bad for the first 40 games, their PP won them lots of games....doing better 5 v 5 now.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I get that and agree with it, but that doesnt explain how hes a minus player. Because he is a minus player, that means he has been scored on more than he has scored at even strength.

Yes, because teams are willing to commit infractions to slow him down. That results in fewer goals for at ES but more PP opportunities. If these teams limit their infractions to prevent powerplays then I fully expect Draisaitl's ES GF% to improve (although not as much as McDavid's would).

 

[Mez]

It really is sad that him and McDavid are minus players. Moral of the story: dont give them a PP and the Oilers are easy to beat.

Moral of the story: Exploit your opponents weaknesses and stay away from their strengths.

 

[Fourier]

he’s been ripped by Oiler fans for his defence or lack thereof by Edmonton fans all year (when they lost) when they win it doesent matter too much because he’s usually pumping in three point games like clockwork.

The problem here is the "all year" part. He was deservedly criticized for about a month. But he was very good defensively to start the season and since the New year has also been very good.

At times he stops skating and on those nights he can look lazy. But when he is moving his feet, which has been most of this year, he is actually very good defensively.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Only one forward in EDM is a plus player. Kailer Yamamoto. Every other forward is minus.

Very interesting.

Yamamoto confirmed as the best player on the Oilers.

 

[Coffey]

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

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based footwear guy

 

[Captain Controversy]

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Lol hahahahaha

 

[PenDuhNotPittsburgh]

"Draisaitl, a 24-year-old native of Cologne, Germany, has opened up a 13-point lead in the Art Ross Trophy race with 34-61-95 in 59 games - the fastest player to 95 points in a season since Sidney Crosby in 2006-07 (56 GP)." It is an extreme season.

 

[North Cole]

Don't make me add up the threads and the creators, we all know how that plays out.

Small sample size, very HF of you

Not worth arguing about. Enjoy Dra's amazing year.

Add up the threads then. We don't all know how it plays out.

I dont actually care, I just want to see if you really would waste your time doing that, and if not, why start the argument and then say it's not worth arguing about?

 

[snag]

Love the discussion essentially criticizing Draisaitl being a -10 yet is another thread we seem to hold a 1 dimensional player sitting at - 13 as being in the top 10 of all time...

 

[McXLNC97]

yet the team is 12 games above .500
Must have gotten blown out quite a few times

Actually they haven't. When you have such a prolific powerplay that's operating close to 30%, all those points you are accumulating are not getting you any +'s.

 

[BlueBaron]

Add up the threads then. We don't all know how it plays out.

I dont actually care, I just want to see if you really would waste your time doing that, and if not, why start the argument and then say it's not worth arguing about?

Why would I do anything beyond wishing you a good day?

I regret starting the argument, it was petty and not worth conflict over. Hope that is a good enough reason for you.