If Babcock stays, do Dubas and Keefe go?

steam whistle

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Do leafs fans still think dubas is genius or he is dumba$$.
Clearly remember when he was brought in from Soo, media kept saying how smart he is.........
 

janesy12

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Nylander is a horrible contract and cap space would be better for what he gives game 83 and on.

Matthews is a terrible deal for the term.

And baby blanket boy for $11 schmilliakkis? Oy vey. Tavares swapped out for even a number 2 d instead and it’s laughter all the way to round 2
Joined March 2019. Explains it.
 

MyBudJT

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Dubas can fire Babcock tomorrow if he wanted to.

This myth that Babcock is secure because of his contract is absurd.

I think Babcock is safe because his relationship with Dubas isn't as bad as people think...

I mean, does everyone already forget that DUBAS was the one that helped hire Babcock in the first place??
 

BlueStorm

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Andersen can't win the big games. Babcock plays Marleau with 3 minutes left and the team is too soft. You need two large tough forwards, a RHD who can move people away from the front of the net and one more D who can move the puck and hit.
Hire a shrink for Andy
Fire Babcock.
Trade/sign 2 Fwds and 2 D.
 
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varano

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DJ smith needs to GTFO. Promote Keefe to Assistant Coach...then transition him in. After Babcock goes nowhere yet again next season
 
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SwaggySpungo

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What terrible contracts did he saddle us with? The Nylander contract after one year of off play?

Yup.

Are you claiming that isn’t a terrible contract?

Could have easily traded him for a 1st round pick or a defenceman.

Or, just as good, let him sit out the season to set the right precedent with other holdouts. Should have squeezed him for a sweetheart cap deal.
 
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The List Of Jericho

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Yup.

Are you claiming that isn’t a terrible contract?

Could have easily traded him for a 1st round pick or a defenceman.

Or, just as good, let him sit out the season to set the right precedent with other holdouts. Should have squeezed him for a sweetheart cap deal.

And then people could use that as the reason the Leafs failed this season lol.
 
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Crysis

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DJ smith needs to GTFO. Promote Keefe to Assistant Coach...then transition him in. After Babcock goes nowhere yet again next season
Good idea. They could pay him nearly as much as most head coaches make as well.
 

hoglund

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Dubas will be a Leaf much longer than Babcock. But I guess both will be back together for one more season and so Keefe also will wait one more season.
Probably, if Babcock is fired, who's available that's as good or better?
 

TheDoldrums

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Good idea. They could pay him nearly as much as most head coaches make as well.

Babcock will have absolutely no trust in Keefe, he's obviously Dubas' guy. I think making him an assistant would only exacerbate tension between the coach and front office.

Keefe doesn't have to be an assistant anywhere. AHL head coaches get hired as NHL head coaches when they've proven enough and Keefe has done that. It will be a test of Keefe's loyalty to Dubas to see how long he'll wait for his turn here before he leaves for another organization. But at some point we'll have to decide if keeping Babcock is worth losing Keefe, much in the way the organization did when choosing to promote Dubas rather than lose him as an asset.
 
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93LEAFS

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No team is going to make Dubas president of Hockey Ops, so, he's here for the duration of his deal or until we fire him.
 

Ratboy

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Never thought Rivers Cuomo would be the Leafs GM.

Pinkerton was great!
 

ToMaLe

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Sorry everyone! We keep loyal to our Leafs forever but i am not behind a coach like babcock.

Not watching again until he is fired. Thats going to be tough but i had enough of watching him abuse all these players.

Babcock is a loser. Thats what his record going all the way back to detroit indicates anyways.

Feel bad for everyone having to watch babcock mess up this playoff for everyone again.

Babcock is so so overrated.
nice post, couldn't agree more!
 

varano

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Good idea. They could pay him nearly as much as most head coaches make as well.
Oh 100%. To be clear, Even if he stays with the marlies theyre going to pay him a ton of money. Probably the same as an assistant coach in the NHL at least
 

AreBe

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Let Dubas go. Are we worried he won’t be able to saddle us with more terrible contracts if he goes? Jesus C.

Leafs Nation dinosaurs roaring with delight

Vindication after 2 consecutive 100 + point seasons that this embarrassing and disproportionately greater accumulation of skill viz. competing teams must be addressed forthwith! Start by trading Nylander! And do it voluntarily so nobody can call it a heist

Enough analytics! Just stop it with data! No more Excel spreadsheets, PowerPoint presentations! Stop it, just stop it! We are Leafs nation and we know hockey! Stupid Bettman wants to move away from Post Concussion Syndrome liability but we'll show him that he's wrong! Rock'em Sock'em and fight, fight, fight!

We need veterans who know how to win. Veterans who know the Don Cherry "code". Real hockey. True hockey. Canadian hockey. If we need to trade away some of these speedsters that we don't really like in the first place for some slow footed 40 year olds, then so be it! Hello desert! There's our future, sacrificed!
 
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Just throwing this out there... if the Leafs are investing this money into a full on proprietary analytics system... are they really building it around the idea that only Dubas knows how it works?

If this show is going to be automated... how important is a figure head?

I mean it’s not like he’s inventing the system he’s buying.

There are user manuals.
 

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