I missed Goodenows press conference

[kerrly]

I watched the press conference...... loopholes???
the deal they gave them at 49 was for a negociation...
they were expecting them to come back....

Goodenow all but came out and said.. 45 mil would be done.. he's like it doesn't matter it wasn't offered... why talk abotu what if's they didn't offer it....

talk about being morons... the players have less to loose then the owners... players don't have billions of dollars on a team... these players can play elsewhere.... I hope the lock out for a few more year.. let the league get replacement players... no one shows up or supports them, and the league fold...

Theres your NBA specialist Mr. Bettman as your NHL commish... haha thats a joke..

2 lockout in 10 years with the same Commish.. thats unheard of..... :lol

Actually there were loopholes, the NHL's point #7 in there proposal and the luxury taxes being credited as revenue sharing. And Gary's letter, clearly stated that there was no time for negotiation, it was too late. Brutal move by Goodenow to throw those cleverly designed loopholes in there.

 

[chiavsfan]

The owners will make the money back under a cap system..the players will never make this years money left.

Besides, if the league folds, there is no reason for anyone to buy any of the teams...and the owners go back to real life

 

[joepeps]

Okay, lets kick out Toronto to start with.

Dont like that idea? Funny. I had a feeling you wouldnt. People usually dont when it means losing their own team.

example baseball!!!!

did I want the expos to leave??? no

it's the fans fault for not suporting them....

too bad.. there gone... it's sad.. but theres not market there for them... thats how it is...

If I suck at math... I suck at math.. i'm not goign to go to school and majour in math.... arg you people don't get the picture

 

[oil slick]

you dont' get it......

They paid money to purchse this team did they not??????

They will be losing money lets say they bought the team for 100 million.. w/e for arguments sake...

Toronto is worth 263 million did they say today.... who gonna buy that???

They can out wait the players. When the owners get a better CBA than the one they have now, Toronto will be worth a lot more than 263 million.

 

[joepeps]

The owners will make the money back under a cap system..the players will never make this years money left.

Besides, if the league folds, there is no reason for anyone to buy any of the teams...and the owners go back to real life

exactly and unless the NHL pays them.. they lose the money they paid for the team...

are you not understanding???

k lets put it in baby terms for you....

lol there no point u still wont understand.. why waste my time

 

[Egil]

The ONE question that I felt put the PA position in shambles was John Lu of TSN asking about the "indexation" of the cap. How the PA feels that the NHL is ONLY going to drop downward linkage while keeping upward linkage is beyond me. You want to talk about cherry picking....

I actually think this is what sunk this round of negotiations, that linkage clause in the PA's counteroffer. The NHL clearly feels stretched at $42 mil, maybe would go up, IF it wasn't indexed. But to index it AT $49 mil just won't work.

 

[Boilers*]

lol your dumb... Toronto makes the most money for the league
kick out teams costing the league money

Actually if one of your brain cells wasn't lost and the last one went looking for it you'd realize that this lockout happened due to your team costing other teams money.

 

[joepeps]

Actually if one of your brain cells wasn't lost and the last one went looking for it you'd realize that this lockout happened due to your team costing other teams money.

yeah it was Toronto.. not the NY Rangers.. lol

shut up and sit down

 

[chiavsfan]

exactly and unless the NHL pays them.. they lose the money they paid for the team...

Most of the owners have already made back their original investment...

 

[kerrly]

The ONE question that I felt put the PA position in shambles was John Lu of TSN asking about the "indexation" of the cap. How the PA feels that the NHL is ONLY going to drop downward linkage while keeping upward linkage is beyond me. You want to talk about cherry picking....

I actually think this is what sunk this round of negotiations, that linkage clause in the PA's counteroffer. The NHL clearly feels stretched at $42 mil, maybe would go up, IF it wasn't indexed. But to index it AT $49 mil just won't work.

Yeah I agree, and I'm disappointed this isn't getting more air play. Its a significant point in the proposal and I haven't heard it mentioned for analysis by any of the panels on tv.

 

[Greschner4]

The ONE question that I felt put the PA position in shambles was John Lu of TSN asking about the "indexation" of the cap. How the PA feels that the NHL is ONLY going to drop downward linkage while keeping upward linkage is beyond me. You want to talk about cherry picking....

I actually think this is what sunk this round of negotiations, that linkage clause in the PA's counteroffer. The NHL clearly feels stretched at $42 mil, maybe would go up, IF it wasn't indexed. But to index it AT $49 mil just won't work.

Because of math it's even worse. Let's say that revenues are 2B today and they drop to 1B in 05-06, the base year. That's a 50% drop. If they jump back up to the same 2B, which we know they could since they've already been there, that's a 100% increase. A doubling.

The $49M cap would then be $98M just because of one down year.

Joke offer by a complete and total tool.

 

[shOOt_the_mOOn]

I find it ironic that Joepeps blames the owners for inflating salaries and giving into players who don't deserve these big contracts yet he is a Leafs fan....one of the major players in the inflated salary department.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

I think some people need to get off their high horses when calling the players stupid and morons. Look the point of being in a Union is they're suppose to do what is best for you. So at the start of the lockout the players put their faith and trust that the Union knew what it was doing and it was looking out for its players. Maybe some players look back now and feel differently, but at that time they trusted the union which is what you're suppose to do. Anyone can just look back and say "they were morons" and this and that. I'm wondering how many people here who if they made the NHL would stand up and say something, apparently all of you are better than the 700 NHL players and are more vocal eh? What I'm saying is it's easy for us to sit back and call people morons cause it doesn't involve us, but if we were put in that situation we would all probably be no different than anyone else in the Union.

 

[joepeps]

I find it ironic that Joepeps blames the owners for inflating salaries and giving into players who don't deserve these big contracts yet he is a Leafs fan....one of the major players in the inflated salary department.

I didn't say the leafs didn't give out a bad contract... but there not the worst...

 

[Frenzy31]

I think some people need to get off their high horses when calling the players stupid and morons. Look the point of being in a Union is they're suppose to do what is best for you. So at the start of the lockout the players put their faith and trust that the Union knew what it was doing and it was looking out for its players. Maybe some players look back now and feel differently, but at that time they trusted the union which is what you're suppose to do. Anyone can just look back and say "they were morons" and this and that. I'm wondering how many people here who if they made the NHL would stand up and say something, apparently all of you are better than the 700 NHL players and are more vocal eh? What I'm saying is it's easy for us to sit back and call people morons cause it doesn't involve us, but if we were put in that situation we would all probably be no different than anyone else in the Union.

Best for the union... Shoot they have tossed rookies under the bus. They have tossed the 3rd and 4th liners under the bus in a hold out. They don't care about the health of the league. 4 teams go under - 120 union jobs gone, not including the kids in the AHL.

It is a joke. You need to have a healthy league to get paid. The fact they don't want to tie the cap into revenue shows they know the league isn't make money.

 

[Lil' Jimmy Norton*]

I think some people need to get off their high horses when calling the players stupid and morons. Look the point of being in a Union is they're suppose to do what is best for you. So at the start of the lockout the players put their faith and trust that the Union knew what it was doing and it was looking out for its players. Maybe some players look back now and feel differently, but at that time they trusted the union which is what you're suppose to do. Anyone can just look back and say "they were morons" and this and that. I'm wondering how many people here who if they made the NHL would stand up and say something, apparently all of you are better than the 700 NHL players and are more vocal eh? What I'm saying is it's easy for us to sit back and call people morons cause it doesn't involve us, but if we were put in that situation we would all probably be no different than anyone else in the Union.

1.6 Billion gone forever for 700 NHL players!!!....Wow and Goodenow is still leading these guys down the gutter because come next go round watch the owners go to work on this bozo. I have a hunch, gut feel that Bob's days are numbered. The players are flipping out because the best deal was today and it is gone forever !!!

 

[kerrly]

I think some people need to get off their high horses when calling the players stupid and morons. Look the point of being in a Union is they're suppose to do what is best for you. So at the start of the lockout the players put their faith and trust that the Union knew what it was doing and it was looking out for its players. Maybe some players look back now and feel differently, but at that time they trusted the union which is what you're suppose to do. Anyone can just look back and say "they were morons" and this and that. I'm wondering how many people here who if they made the NHL would stand up and say something, apparently all of you are better than the 700 NHL players and are more vocal eh? What I'm saying is it's easy for us to sit back and call people morons cause it doesn't involve us, but if we were put in that situation we would all probably be no different than anyone else in the Union.

I don't think its fair that you can say that it was the owners stupidity for causing this problem, basically saying that the owners are morons. The same points you made in your post cover the owners side of it as well. You're doing your share of bashing, thus I don't feel you have the right to complain.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Best for the union... Shoot they have tossed rookies under the bus. They have tossed the 3rd and 4th liners under the bus in a hold out. They don't care about the health of the league. 4 teams go under - 120 union jobs gone, not including the kids in the AHL.

It is a joke. You need to have a healthy league to get paid. The fact they don't want to tie the cap into revenue shows they know the league isn't make money.

At this point im not saying what the union is doing is right or wrong. All I'm trying to point out is that some people on here act is if they're so great and special where if they were a player they would stand up to the Union and be some great outstanding vocal person. Which I believe if some of these people WERE in fact in the NHLPA they would do nothing of the sort. Im just sort of sick of the "better than all the players" high-horse attitude.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

I don't think its fair that you can say that it was the owners stupidity for causing this problem, basically saying that the owners are morons. The same points you made in your post cover the owners side of it as well. You're doing your share of bashing, thus I don't feel you have the right to complain.

I dont know where you even got this reply from anything I SAID in that post. Im talking about players as a WHOLE. People come out and say "Mccabe is a moron" so and so and thats fine thats your opinion. Im talking about all the players as a whole and people acting like they stand for some awesome moral goodness compared to the NHL players. I have never once called the owners a bunch of morons, but I do believe Wirtz is stupid and so is Bettman, and SO is Goodenow. I personally don't think I act as if im on some kind of high horse though, maybe other people think different but I don't really think I do.

 

[chriss_co]

Is there a video of the NHLPA press conference like how NHL.com has a streaming copy of Bettman's press conference?

 

[Lil' Jimmy Norton*]

At this point im not saying what the union is doing is right or wrong. All I'm trying to point out is that some people on here act is if they're so great and special where if they were a player they would stand up to the Union and be some great outstanding vocal person. Which I believe if some of these people WERE in fact in the NHLPA they would do nothing of the sort. Im just sort of sick of the "better than all the players" high-horse attitude.

I would be shocked if behind the scenes there is not some major gut wrenching and pointing fingers and trying to figure out what the hell they are going to do. They have gone over the cliff and this lockout will still be in place come this time next year. There is a boatload of players who are in the twilight of their careers and they will never get this $$$ back nor will they ever get a Stanley Cup Ring like a Roenick or Primeau and thats why Esche was working like a maniac to try and circumvent the bus going over the cliff. Man it's gotta be one helluva tough night for guys like them and some of the older guys in Toronto.

 

[FrenchKheldar]

Is there a video of the NHLPA press conference like how NHL.com has a streaming copy of Bettman's press conference?

They might have a rerun tonight on Comedy Central, remixed with the letters from yesterday read by JR. Actually, it wouldn't be hockey, it would be funny... But it is not

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

I would be shocked if behind the scenes there is not some major gut wrenching and pointing fingers and trying to figure out what the hell they are going to do. They have gone over the cliff and this lockout will still be in place come this time next year. There is a boatload of players who are in the twilight of their careers and they will never get this $$$ back nor will they ever get a Stanley Cup Ring like a Roenick or Primeau and thats why Esche was working like a maniac to try and circumvent the bus going over the cliff. Man it's gotta be one helluva tough night for guys like them and some of the older guys in Toronto.

I agree I think there is. Im saying when this lockout first STARTED and even a couple months ago. The point of having a union is to have them look out for your best interests and have them do whats fair. Maybe now some players feel like that is NOT the case. But even awhile ago fans were ripping into players acting as if they wouldn't be doing the samething if they were in the players shoes.

 

[Mothra]

If I suck at math... I suck at math..

Whats your math have to do with it

 

[SENSible1*]

The ONE question that I felt put the PA position in shambles was John Lu of TSN asking about the "indexation" of the cap. How the PA feels that the NHL is ONLY going to drop downward linkage while keeping upward linkage is beyond me. You want to talk about cherry picking....

I actually think this is what sunk this round of negotiations, that linkage clause in the PA's counteroffer. The NHL clearly feels stretched at $42 mil, maybe would go up, IF it wasn't indexed. But to index it AT $49 mil just won't work.

Especially when they indexed it based on next years reduced revenues.

Anyone who thinks the proposals are even close to being similar hasn't taken a look at the PA proposal.

PS Why is anyone wasting keystrokes on "joepeps"?