Confirmed with Link: Hurricanes to Match part II

[Frank Drebin]

Even a billionnaire might not have 12M lying dormant in his bank account. Most of their money lies in assets and investments. It takes a bit of time to turn investments or assets into liquidity, especially 12M+.
It's not a question of negotiations or revenge. It's just finance.
Nothing to see, but fun to speculate. I'm enjoying all this with popcorn in hand.

Shirley they knew that they had to write a cheque to Aho this summer though? Maybe not 12 but probably at least 8?

 

[McGees]

Shirley they knew that they had to write a cheque to Aho this summer though? Maybe not 12 but probably at least 8?

They knew...and stop calling me Shirley.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I don’t see how waiting it out hurts the Habs, it’s not like all of the RFA’s are magically getting signed over this 7 day period. If MB wants to make another offer sheet, he’ll do it after this little “Take Warning “ shirade is finished.

I'm sure all of the RFA Agents are enjoying the week off as well. They would have to be crazy to sign during this week instead of waiting to see what crazy man bergevin will do.

10.4 for Point. Get it done.

 

[Runner77]

They knew...and stop calling me Shirley.

Classic! Drebin set it up nicely.

 

[hotcarle]

Bring it on!

Please...pay Juulsen 12m per season. It's foolproof!!!! Those zero prospects we drafted that made the nhl from 2008-2016 will be our saving grace.

 

[hotcarle]

I'm sure all of the RFA Agents are enjoying the week off as well. They would have to be crazy to sign during this week instead of waiting to see what crazy man bergevin will do.

10.4 for Point. Get it done.

They say he has the same agent as aho, and point said he wouldn't sign. Winnipeg has Laine and Connor. I'd look into that. Not centers though.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The only way this happens IMO is if Aho comes out and says he does not want to play for the Canes, which will never happen.

What are you basing this on?

The owner has said all the right things but he can’t be happy with the up front contract. He might be okay with getting out of it.

We’ll see.

 

[sheed36]

Hypothetically what happens if the Canes couldn't come up with the needed cash within the 5 days after matching the offer to pay Aho his 11.3m bonus payment?

I know the Canes apparently can in this instance but what would happen if some other team couldn't pay the full bonus payment, within the time frame allotted, if another offer sheet structured like this happened again in the future.

 

[Dharvey33]

Shirley they knew that they had to write a cheque to Aho this summer though? Maybe not 12 but probably at least 8?

You do understand that they pay 8 millions in a year it’s not upfront like the 12 millions dollars bonus he has to pay.

Huge difference and not covered by the team but by the owner (cause the team is broke)

There are legit reasons why this is dragging on and aho’s Agent and Bergevin knew them

 

[cphabs]

LIKE Waddell will be there, in a couple years,
LeBrun reports that Hurricanes owner Tom Dundon has given Don Waddell permission to try and sign a Canadiens' player to an offer sheet in the next couple of years if there's a guy he likes.
From his article in The Athletic:
"Believe me when I say this: I guarantee Dundon has already told Waddell that if there’s an RFA in Montreal the ‘Canes can go after over the next few years, he’s got the green light to do something crazy."

Just the word I like to hear as an investor! “Crazy”... “I’m going to do something crazy with your money!” Step right up!

 

[Frank Drebin]

You do understand that they pay 8 millions in a year it’s not upfront like the 12 millions dollars bonus he has to pay.

Huge difference and not covered by the team but by the owner

No, I didn't understand that, thanks for clarifying.

 

[Milhouse40]

I'm sure all of the RFA Agents are enjoying the week off as well. They would have to be crazy to sign during this week instead of waiting to see what crazy man bergevin will do.

10.4 for Point. Get it done.

One advice
Don't f*** with Tampa.

Point is better to take a 8M deal in Tampa then a 10 millions deal here anyway.
But Tampa is a very nice place to play hockey unlike Carolina so if they choose to strike back, they really could hurt us.

Target poor and bad teams and/or boring cities for players, like Winnipeg, Detroit or Carolina.
Don't piss off teams like Tampa.

 

[Uncle Gary]

All the agents must love MB right now.

 

[Frank Drebin]

One advice
Don't **** with Tampa.

Point is better to take a 8M deal in Tampa then a 10 millions deal here anyway.
But Tampa is a very nice place to play hockey unlike Carolina so if they choose to strike back, they really could hurt us.

Target poor and bad teams and/or boring cities for players, like Winnipeg, Detroit or Carolina.
Don't piss off teams like Tampa.

Tampa can sign our RFAs to Florida cap friendly deals all day long. We can match.

There is no such thing as revenge offersheets.

If your GM is making deals to spite other gm's he should have been fired yesterday.

 

[ItzaGreat]

Even a billionnaire might not have 12M lying dormant in his bank account. Most of their money lies in assets and investments. It takes a bit of time to turn investments or assets into liquidity, especially 12M+.
It's not a question of negotiations or revenge. It's just finance.
Nothing to see, but fun to speculate. I'm enjoying all this with popcorn in hand.

You're right, people seem to not understand that because the guy is WORTH billions, doesn't mean anything about his cash-flow.

Most importantly, it's not really about his own cash-flow rather than the team's...

I don't know a lot of owners/share-holders that would fork money out of their personal pocket to pay for employee salaries...

 

[NeptunesTrident]

Could I get some clarification..if Carolina matches and pays they can't trade him to Montreal for a year? Or is it every team in the league for a year?

 

[OldCraig71]

Fair enough i believe the last one to not match was penner quite awhile ago your not wrong

2007 and I am not a hockey historian by any means(wikipedia) and there have been some pretty big offers, why just take our own Shea Weber as an example. The deal which currently buys him the finer things in life is the result of a matched offer sheet that he signed with Philadelphia and Nashville matched. People are making it sound like Bergevin failed with his offer, he didn't, it wouldn't have mattered if it was max. Any sour grapes on Carolina's end will be resolved in a year or two when they trade their own player that signed it.

 

[OldCraig71]

Could I get some clarification..if Carolina matches and pays they can't trade him to Montreal for a year? Or is it every team in the league for a year?

They can't trade him anywhere for 1 year.

 

[Runner77]

All the agents must love MB right now.

The same agents whose UFA clients are signing elsewhere.

 

[Mudz]

One advice
Don't **** with Tampa.

Point is better to take a 8M deal in Tampa then a 10 millions deal here anyway.
But Tampa is a very nice place to play hockey unlike Carolina so if they choose to strike back, they really could hurt us.

Target poor and bad teams and/or boring cities for players, like Winnipeg, Detroit or Carolina.
Don't piss off teams like Tampa.

Plus we have a connection with Tampa. You still need trading partners.
An other reason Ago was a good target was because who cares about Carolina really. They have 0 leadership.

 

[Runner77]

Could I get some clarification..if Carolina matches and pays they can't trade him to Montreal for a year? Or is it every team in the league for a year?

Canes have to hold on to the player for a year. They can’t trade him to anyone during that time.

 

[sheed36]

All the agents must love MB right now.

But 30 NHL GM's and the 14 fans making up the entire Canes fanbase don't though.

 

[Guns n Roses]

Until they fix this salary cap structure we aren’t signing any big names. The cap is very unfair. Montreal should have the most cap and every other team should get a cap percentage in relevance with the income tax in that city.

 

[Runner77]

Tampa can sign our RFAs to Florida cap friendly deals all day long. We can match.

There is no such thing as revenge offersheets.

If your GM is making deals to spite other gm's he should have been fired yesterday.

Not if the de facto GM is the owner. Waddell is an empty vessel.

 

[habsfan891]

But 30 NHL GM's and the 14 fans making up the entire Canes fanbase don't though.

Cant imagine all 30 gms have a problem with what he did some for sure though