Prospect Info: Hurricanes Prospect Info and Discussion - Part VII - Cliff Pu and other shit

[HisIceness]

It was speculated that the prospect in question was from a big market, so he can scratch Jake Bean off. Not sure why he would omit that piece of evidence when it was one of the only few hints.

IIRC it was a "prominent" NHL team too. We are not that.

Also, the prospects spent a day at Epic Games in Cary where 'Fortnite' was developed. I highly doubt they would have done that if someone on the roster was this addicted.

 

[Stickpucker]

Societally, it is the general association of hyperbole with everything. "This is the worst ever...."....and all comments like that have become so pervasive so as to minimize their true meanings.

Is this the opposite of George Carlin's soft language routine?

 

[Joe McGrath]

Don’t read articles from fantasy hockey writers if you want to learn about actual hockey.

 

[CandyCanes]

To all that disagreed with me on Elynuik’s nasty hit. Even Elynuik’s coach thinks it was a bad hit.

I’ll just reiterate my thoughts. But when you take 4-5 strides skating straight to the boards and you have numbers facing you the whole way there you gotta get out of the way. He then placed his hands out, that resulted into a cross check right into the back of the player getting hit. It’s not a safe play and was totally preventable from Elynuik in my opinion.

Snippet via The Athletic -

As Canadiens defenceman Jarret Tyszka stopped and turned to retrieve a puck in Place Bell’s right-wing offensive zone corner, Elynuik cross-checked him just above the seat of his pants, sending him headfirst into the boards.
It was a violent and dangerous hit. Tyszka, who needed immediate medical attention, laid motionless and was quickly stretchered off the ice and sent to the hospital (the team has since confirmed that he was conscious and moving his limbs when he left).
Elynuik was ejected from the game, after just fourth shifts with his new team.
Two months after signing an AHL contract with the Marlies, nobody would have faulted the Leafs if that was Elynuik’s last game with the organization.
“It’s a mistake on his part. You get a young player that comes in and wants to make an impression, wants to work hard, wants to be physical, and clearly it’s an unacceptable hit. I don’t think he’s got any reputation for being that kind of a player. He’s very remorseful,” Marlies head coach Sheldon Keefe said after the game.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Right off the bat, I disagree that it was a cross-check based on the replay provided. Tyzska made a foolish play to put himself in a position where even the very slightest contact (which is all there was) was enough to put him completely off his skates and face-first into the boards.

I rarely go the victim-blaming route with these incidents, but I’m not sure how anyone is supposed to safely play a contact sport where the opponent is basically offering his body up to serious injury rather than ride some light contact into the boards.

 

[bleedgreen]

Yeah I still don’t think there was anything violent about the “cross check”. He shoved a guy in a bad spot.

And modern journalism is all over anything that happens like this. If Pierre Lebrun calls this a “disgusting” hit I’ll listen. I’ve already seen plenty of hot takes on the athletic that sound like us writing.

The world is changing though. Soon enough there won’t be enough people who remember it’s your responsibility to not show your back and to not skate with your head down in the middle. Not that the second part happened here, just throwing it in there.

 

[geehaad]

For me, I'm lost at the point where the adjective "violent" is put into play. Elynuik put his gloves on the kid...that's about the extent of it. To go so far as to call it a shove is borderline inflammatory. The kid went to the hospital because he kind of got shoved? Sorry, there are like a million other things in this world that are more deserving of my outrage.

 

[CandyCanes]

Yeah I still don’t think there was anything violent about the “cross check”. He shoved a guy in a bad spot.

And modern journalism is all over anything that happens like this. If Pierre Lebrun calls this a “disgusting” hit I’ll listen. I’ve already seen plenty of hot takes on the athletic that sound like us writing.

The world is changing though. Soon enough there won’t be enough people who remember it’s your responsibility to not show your back and to not skate with your head down in the middle. Not that the second part happened here, just throwing it in there.

I mean it wasn’t just The Athletic calling it a bad hit. Elynuik’s own coach thought it was a bad hit. Which is an interesting perspective.

 

[AD Skinner]

I wonder if this kid might just be kind of a jerk. The canes let him go for nothing, now his coach is calling him out. Not saying he definitely is, I don't know anything about him. But he's not exactly getting ringing endorsements

 

[bleedgreen]

I mean it wasn’t just The Athletic calling it a bad hit. Elynuik’s own coach thought it was a bad hit. Which is an interesting perspective.

Where the hit was bad is where it happened. That 3-5 foot area around the boards is dangerous from behind which is why players have to protect themselves when in those areas, and why contact doesnt have to be particularly “violent” to lead to a bad result.

Also the intent that is often assigned to the player is often the roughest part, in this case if anything it looked like he backed off how hard he was going to hit.

A coach in today’s game is in a tough spot, if he calls out the other player publicly or doesn’t say it was a bad hit to the press maybe it hurts HIS image? I don’t know. I’m reaching there. I’m surprised he said it.

The problem was the player was in a position where he couldn’t be touched at all. That sentence right there is an indication of something being off in the first place. So now players are being put in situations where their job is to hit, but they can’t make any contact AT ALL because the guy put himself in that bad a position.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I wonder if this kid might just be kind of a jerk. The canes let him go for nothing, now his coach is calling him out. Not saying he definitely is, I don't know anything about him. But he's not exactly getting ringing endorsements

I remember when he got here for his first development camp, he looked REALLY promising for someone so young and raw. He was already a big 6’5” and had wheels, you look at that and can’t help but see potential for a stud center. But the more you watch him, there’s just no toolbox there at all. Even if he’s not a jerk, he seems like the kind of player who would drive a coach absolutely nuts. The kind of guy they’re quietly thinking “if Shrimpy McHustle over there only had that Hudson’s body, he’d be a goddamn terror to the league...”. Meanwhile Hudson just stopped a drill because he was skating the wrong direction.

Where the hit was bad is where it happened. That 3-5 foot area around the boards is dangerous from behind which is why players have to protect themselves when in those areas, and why contact doesnt have to be particularly “violent” to lead to a bad result.

Also the intent that is often assigned to the player is often the roughest part, in this case if anything it looked like he backed off how hard he was going to hit.

A coach in today’s game is in a tough spot, if he calls out the other player publicly or doesn’t say it was a bad hit to the press maybe it hurts HIS image? I don’t know. I’m reaching there. I’m surprised he said it.

The problem was the player was in a position where he couldn’t be touched at all. That sentence right there is an indication of something being off in the first place. So now players are being put in situations where their job is to hit, but they can’t make any contact AT ALL because the guy put himself in that bad a position.

I’m surprised he said it too, and it feels like a combination of PR damage control and having only seen the play live and from behind. It’s hard for me to believe a coach would actually fault a player for doing what Elynuik did there. You WANT guys to go into the corner with the expectation of making contact, precisely because you don’t want them to be the guy who gets stretchered off the ice after making an awkward dodge.

 

[Lempo]

Where the hit was bad is where it happened. That 3-5 foot area around the boards is dangerous from behind which is why players have to protect themselves when in those areas, and why contact doesnt have to be particularly “violent” to lead to a bad result.

Also the intent that is often assigned to the player is often the roughest part, in this case if anything it looked like he backed off how hard he was going to hit.

A coach in today’s game is in a tough spot, if he calls out the other player publicly or doesn’t say it was a bad hit to the press maybe it hurts HIS image? I don’t know. I’m reaching there. I’m surprised he said it.

The problem was the player was in a position where he couldn’t be touched at all. That sentence right there is an indication of something being off in the first place. So now players are being put in situations where their job is to hit, but they can’t make any contact AT ALL because the guy put himself in that bad a position.

It can also be a case that coach, even if he may personally be in the opinion that keep your head up, knows that the refs have a different approach to it and that a play like that will be costry to the team in form of punishments.

And obviously there's the optics so that you can't go full John Kreese on the bench.

 

[NotOpie]

The kind of guy they’re quietly thinking “if Shrimpy McHustle over there only had that Hudson’s body, he’d be a goddamn terror to the league...”.

That right there is some damn fine nick-namin'

 

[cptjeff]

That right there is some damn fine nick-namin'

Well, when Martin St. Louis's kids hit the NHL, we'll have a nickname ready.

 

[Cane mutiny]

I wonder if this kid might just be kind of a jerk. The canes let him go for nothing, now his coach is calling him out. Not saying he definitely is, I don't know anything about him. But he's not exactly getting ringing endorsements

I was under the impression, from what I read earlier, that he chose not to sign with CAR. I don't think they had a choice but to let him go for nothing. He probably thought teams would be lining up to sign him and it didn't happen. I may be wrong, however...bad memory.

 

[geehaad]

I was under the impression that he wasn't offered a contract, and because I'd followed him a bit, I was dismayed by that.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Pretty sure he chose not to sign as he felt he was behind too many other prospects.

 

[AD Skinner]

My bad then- don't want to spread misinformation

 

[tarheelhockey]

I was under the impression that he wasn't offered a contract, and because I'd followed him a bit, I was dismayed by that.

Pretty sure he chose not to sign as he felt he was behind too many other prospects.

To me that's kind of a chicken/egg scenario. If he's behind too many prospects here, what makes him think he's going to be successful in a different org? We must have had the shallowest C pool in the league when he in our system. There was very much an opportunity for him here, much as there was for Andersen if he had just been patient and played good hockey.

 

[DaveG]

I don't think anyone knows for sure one way or the other whether he was offered a contract by the Canes. The Canes never came out and said one way or the other and Hudson's camp simply stated that they were re-entering the draft, no comment about whether it was because they had not been offered a contract or whether they simply decided to turn down the ELC offered.

 

[Lempo]

Hockeyfeed seems to have been in opinion at the time that it was Elynuik holding out.

Report: NHL prospect “unlikely” to sign with his team after breakout season.

... but it's possible that they just made assumptions on this more neutral piece by Chip:

 

[Joe McGrath]

I don’t think it matters because he’s not any good and his chances of ever making the NHL are very low.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don’t think it matters because he’s not any good and his chances of ever making the NHL are very low.

We needed more grit and we didn't sign this goon. Another failure by Dundon.

 

[HisIceness]

I don't remember this Hudson guy at all and had no clue who you guys were talking about, had to look him up and stumbled upon an article I will link down below.

I do remember Noah Carroll though, but mostly because of his easy-to-pronounce name

Hurricanes draftees Hudson Elynuik and Noah Carroll go unsigned | Canes & Coffee

 

[geehaad]

Given that he went undrafted after re-entry, then went to the Kings development camp and didn't get an offer, then was signed by the Marlies (not the Leafs, mind you), I think we know who broke with who, here.