Hurricanes extend Don Waddell

[Anton Dubinchuk]

A Dundon negotiation...

SCENE 1
"Dad, can I have $30 to go to the movies?"

"Ask your mother."

SCENE 2
"Mom said yes."

"Ok, here's your money, have fun, be back by 10."

END

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So much for not wanting a GM on a long term contract.

Except is exact words were:

"I've told Don I'm not going to walk in and fire Don Waddell, so he doesn't need a contract," Dundon said. "If he wants one, he can have one if he asks for one."

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

It still seems weird that they didn't just sort all of this out earlier. Not bad-weird, just weird-weird.

“If you love something set it free. If it comes back it’s yours. If not, it was never meant to be.”

Maybe it was Dundon building loyalty by letting his employee know that he supported him looking to better themselves. Or maybe he said, "Go out and get market value and come back and that's what I'll pay."

Who knows, but as usual, a big over-reaction in the media and on HF, which is probably what Dundon was looking for.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

quoted words mean nothing

 

[TaLoN]

Except is exact words were:

"I've told Don I'm not going to walk in and fire Don Waddell, so he doesn't need a contract," Dundon said. "If he wants one, he can have one if he asks for one."

Then why did it come to the point of him interviewing with another team to get one?

 

[Svechhammer]

“If you love something set it free. If it comes back it’s yours. If not, it was never meant to be.”

Maybe it was Dundon building loyalty by letting his employee know that he supported him looking to better themselves. Or maybe he said, "Go out and get market value and come back and that's what I'll pay."

Who knows, but as usual, a big over-reaction in the media and on HF, which is probably what Dundon was looking for.

Tom Dundon to Waddell this afternoon

 

[TaLoN]

quoted words mean nothing

Quoted words can also be reactionary damage control after the fact.

 

[Bazeek]

“If you love something set it free. If it comes back it’s yours. If not, it was never meant to be.”

Maybe it was Dundon building loyalty by letting his employee know that he supported him looking to better themselves. Or maybe he said, "Go out and get market value and come back and that's what I'll pay."

Who knows, but as usual, a big over-reaction in the media and on HF, which is probably what Dundon was looking for.

An owner using a process as uncontroversial as extending a popular GM to provoke a media reaction isn't exactly un-weird.

Having a GM vacancy come up this late in the year is equally as weird though, so maybe that's really what precipitated the whole thing. If Minnesota hadn't fired Fenton I wonder if they would have gone forward with the no-contract option.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Don Waddell flirting

Don Waddell extended

 

[cptjeff]

Then why did it come to the point of him interviewing with another team to get one?

In a lot of businesses, it is extremely common for people to interview for jobs to get a sense of their market value and then to come back to their current employer with a number to match.

These threads do seem to do a pretty good job at telling us who here has actually worked a salaried job and who hasn't.

 

[Svechhammer]

Don Waddell extended

well that's a mental image I never wanted

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Minnesota be like “I heard you have a history of trading Victor Rask for Nino Niederreiter. Think you could do that again??”

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Quoted words can also be reactionary damage control after the fact.

Agreed.

Need proof dummies?

Where was the press release about Waddell’s signed extension before he signed the extension?

 

[TaLoN]

In a lot of businesses, it is extremely common for people to interview for jobs to get a sense of their market value and then to come back to their current employer with a number to match.

These threads do seem to do a pretty good job at telling us who here has actually worked a salaried job and who hasn't.

Which brings it back to the point that this likely doesn't happen in the first place if Fenton wasn't fired so late in the summer forcing his hand after Waddell interviewed elsewhere.

 

[Roboturner913]

Quoted words can also be reactionary damage control after the fact.

especially in cheap, dysfunctional organizations, which the Hurricanes clearly are

 

[Dr Quincy]

Cue that one devils fan that was slagging the Canes for being too cheap.

And the people who were saying it was ok if he left because he's the worst GM in the NHL.

 

[TaLoN]

especially in cheap, dysfunctional organizations, which the Hurricanes clearly are

That wasn't anything I've ever claimed, but keep up with your stock responses if it makes you feel better.

 

[Roboturner913]

well that's a mental image I never wanted

Don Waddell O-face

 

[Roboturner913]

That wasn't anything I've ever claimed, but keep up with your stock responses if it makes you feel better.

K, I will, guy who has responded to this thread 4 times on one page

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

“Multiple years”???

Isn’t that the timeframe in which Dundon could move the team to Quebec???

Isn’t that when Aho’s contract is up, after he blatantly expressed his interest in playing for a team in Quebec???

Hasn’t Waddell moved a team before???

 

[Bazeek]

In a lot of businesses, it is extremely common for people to interview for jobs to get a sense of their market value and then to come back to their current employer with a number to match.

These threads do seem to do a pretty good job at telling us who here has actually worked a salaried job and who hasn't.

I don't really object to how Dundon handled this, but is the suggestion here that he planned to let Waddell go out and interview for other GM positions, get a sense of the market, and come back with a number to match?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I don't really object to how Dundon handled this, but is the suggestion here that he planned to let Waddell go out and interview for other GM positions, get a sense of the market, and come back with a number to match?

I mean there was a quote where he said “go and interview for it if you think it’s best”, but I’m sure the best case scenario for Dundon was to continue to pay Waddell less instead of more and for Waddell to remain happy, which is generally the best case for anyone in management. It didn’t work, and Waddell signed a contract.

 

[Roboturner913]

I don't really object to how Dundon handled this, but is the suggestion here that he planned to let Waddell go out and interview for other GM positions, get a sense of the market, and come back with a number to match?

Don't know why that notion is so farfetched to some, sportsball teams do this with minor free agents all the time

 

[Bazeek]

I mean there was a quote where he said “go and interview for it if you think it’s best”, but I’m sure the best case scenario for Dundon was to continue to pay Waddell less instead of more and for Waddell to remain happy, which is generally the best case for anyone in management. It didn’t work, and Waddell signed a contract.

I should have been more explicit: is the implication that they didn't work all of this out earlier in the summer because Dundon planned for Waddell to do interviews later on?

I get that once the opportunity presented itself the rest followed from there, but there's no way that this was the plan all along.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I should have been more explicit: is the implication that they didn't work all of this out earlier in the summer because Dundon planned for Waddell to do interviews later on?

I get that once the opportunity presented itself the rest followed from there, but there's no way that this was the plan all along.

Agreed. I think the plan was for Waddell to be ok with no contract and just having a salary. Dundon wants to push the envelope and make changes to the way front offices are usually run, and as he got more information he realized that wasn’t going to be possible in this case (or, rather, that the upside of trying to force this change wasn’t worth losing his GM that he really likes). He adapted, and no harm no foul.