Hurricanes could host an Outdoor Game

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  1. Unsustainable

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    I don't see why not. But it'd likely be with the Capitals.
     
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    That'd be cool. It would likely be a Stadium Series game. Hopefully markets that haven't hosted outdoor games like Dallas, Tampa, Nashville, etc. can get them in the future.
     
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    I'd be OK with Carter-Finley and would definitely try to go. Logistically it would make sense due to the proximity to PNC, as @Unsustainable mentioned, plus with UNC reconfiguring the seating at Kenan Memorial Stadium, Carter-Finley's now the largest of the three Triangle area football stadiums and has the easiest parking/tailgating situation. Ideally though, I'd like to see it against the Preds. Heck, make it a home and home - we play them at Carter-Finley and they play us at either Nissan Stadium or Vanderbilt Stadium.
     
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    that's one way to shake up the stale outdoor game premise....one without a crowd
     
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    Preds would make a ton of sense as they would travel extremely well to see this.

    Considering the way the league likes to recycle the same 6-8 teams in outdoor games, to the total exclusion of the more southern teams, this might be the first in a wave of independently-organized outdoor games. Which in turn opens the door for anyone to "skip the line" and host their own events rather than waiting for league selection.

    It's a weird dynamic. I wish the league had handled the initial success of the Winter Classic more intelligently.
     
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    :eyeroll: your hot take aside, it can be argued that the real way to get an outdoor game without a crowd is the current tack of using the same teams in some of the same venues.
     
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    They should have simultaneous games at the north and south poles. Premium tickets that include travel, catering and lodging. Each game would be in every time zone at once. LOL. Pittsburgh would play in the south pole game and be the home team. :)
     
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    I am just wondering if there is something in the NHL bylaws that would prevent teams from organizing such things (read outside of WC, Stadium Series, etc).
     
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    Right next door to the NC State stadium, so not too far of a trek that they'd have to go. Other stadiums are possible nearby, but I'm not sure if any of the research triangle football stadiums are considered iconic over each other in any way, so I don't think there's much of a rush there for one venue over another.
     
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    yeah, as an outsider there arent really any football stadiums in NC that stand out. Basketball gyms? Sure.

    Too bad there logistics dont work to have them play at Cameron Indoor or in the Dean Dome.

    if you do it for the Hurricanes, you'd realistically have to have the game either in Charlotte or at Clemson
     
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    They are and aren't but I think the winning factor would be Carter-Finlay's proximity to PNC and superior parking situation. Kenan Memorial at UNC is located in the middle of campus and parking can be a bit tricky. Likewise for Duke's Wallace Wade Stadium. If a neutral site game is the idea, then I would think Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte's the better bet. Memorial Stadium in Clemson is too far out of the way and there's literally nothing in Clemson. Williams-Brice in Columbia would be better in that it's at least in an actual city, but it's still a little far afield given the "home" fans would have to travel 3.5 hours to get to Columbia. Not that I'm a biased Gamecock fan or anything who'd never want to see his beloved Hurricanes play in that rathole in Cowtown...:D
     
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    In this case they're actively involving the league in the planning process, so I assume the league is OK with this and has given a green light to talk to the media about it.

    Whether the team could change game venues, provided they stay within their own home territory, without league permission is an interesting question. No idea if that's a specific rule or bylaw. They certainly can't go around branding things without the league's approval, but choice of venue might be somewhat more under the franchise's control.

    Carter-Finley Stadium holds nearly 60,000 (with a good football-style configuration), is located in Raleigh, and is already property of the Centennial Authority. I can't imagine why they would go all the way to Charlotte, let alone Clemson, for only 15K more seats and then have to deal with the logistical nightmare of playing the game out-of-market.
     
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    The point is having a game outdoors and not having the biggest possible venue indoors.

    Besides, the NHL does want some kind of increased capacity for the outdoor venue, but they aren't looking at the biggest number possible. They've visited historical places like Fenway and Wrigley. They've been to Ann Arbor. But I don't think the league would aim to go to a 75k stadium if they have a 60k one located closer to the fanbase of one or both involved teams.
     
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    they also aim to have the stadium itself be part of the story.

    Fenway, Wrigley, Notre Dame, Gillette, The Big House, Heinz Field.

    I imagine they'd shoot for the same with the Canes too, and I dont see the NC State stadium having that cache
     
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    But cache is not mandatory. Sure, the league will chose a mythic stadium when available and logistically doable, but to say NC State doesn't have ''the cache'' to hold the event...I disagree.

    Since 2008 when they started doing it on a regular basis :

    2008 - Ralph Wilson Stadium - WC (Winter Classic)
    2009 - Wrigley Field - WC
    2010 - Fenway Park - WC
    2011 - Heinz Field - WC
    2011 - McMahon Stadium - HC (Heritage Classic)
    2012 - Citizen Bank Park - WC
    2014 - Michigan Stadium - WC
    2014 - Dodger Stadium - SS (Stadium Series)
    2014 - Yankee Stadium - SS
    2014 - Soldier Field - SS
    2014 - BC Place - HC
    2015 - Nationals Park - WC
    2015 - Levi's Stadium - SS
    2016 - Gillette Stadium - WC
    2016 - TCF Bank Stadium - SS
    2016 - Coors Field - SS
    2017* - Investors Group Field - HC (player in 2016 but 2016-17 season)
    2017 - BMO Field - 100th anniversary of the league
    2017 - Busch Stadium - WC
    2017 - Heinz Field - SS
    2017 - TD Place Stadium - 100th anniversary of the league
    2018 - Citi Field - WC
    2018 - Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium - SS
    2019 - Notre Dame Stadium - WC (yet to come)
    2019 - Lincoln Financial Field - SS (yet to come)
     
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    This would be so great. Been waiting for it a long time.
     
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    So they’re going to play in that famous historic building, Bank of America Stadium?
     
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    It's not like Gillette and Heinz Field are special and historic either.

    I personally think outdoor games suck no matter how historic the venue is so having a fairly normal football configuration is probably best for people who are going to be at the game and for those watching on TV.
     
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    You do realize that Clemson is a very remote location, don't you? Raleigh is a huge area, and the NC State stadium in the downtown area would be fine. No need to go all the way to Charlotte.
     
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    Indeed - people think because Clemson is (now) a major program they must be in a major city and...they're not. That's not quite as bad as the people who believe the University of South Carolina and Clemson are one and the same (I've gotten a few of those and have had to restrain myself from inflicting physical violence upon them). Clemson's a one-horse (err..cow) town that's 45-50 minutes from the nearest airport and city of note, which is Greenville, SC. Most importantly it's some 4 hours and 40 minutes from the Triangle. No thanks.
     
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    Well, does it really surprise you that the person that said this:

    would also say something like this?

    That's common on here, due to people not being familiar with college football culture, where college towns like (deep breath) Clemson, Auburn, Tuscaloosa, College Station, Athens, Gainesville, Fayetteville, West Lafayette, Ames, Iowa City, Ann Arbor, etc etc all have these massive stadiums that have capacities of close to or in some cases very much exceeding the population of the town in which they are located. The post responded to seems to have an association with Boston, which puts him in the "not likely to know these things" category.
     
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    I think some folks on this forum have never looked at a map in their entire lives. Here we have someone who thinks Clemson is a thriving metropolis and Raleigh is in the sticks, and in another thread regarding realignment someone is confused about Michigan being in the eastern time zone because "Central America" is stupid. I never realized I lived so close to the Panama Canal! :sarcasm:

    BTW, I've been to your lovely area many times -- we have two sets of friends who live in the Raleigh area, and we own a condo in Myrtle Beach. So we will stop in Raleigh to visit quite often on our way to South Carolina.
     
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    Regarding Clemson.

    I don't think people who have never been realize just how small the town of Clemson is. The university population, graduate and undergraduate, is about 25k. The town is about 13k. So the town sees a lot of traffic and business shrink when school is out. On top of that, it's ridiculously hard to get in and out of when any kind of major event is going on. I went to a couple of Panthers game there in 1995, it was fun but it also a really weird experience going to see something as major like NFL football in a town that small.

    Selfishly I'd love Charlotte. But too many obstacles and hurdles to jump.

    There's nothing special about Carter-Finley, or Kenan, or Wallace Wade, or BB&T Field, or Dowdy-Ficklen. But CF is right next door to PNC, and a good chunk of the fanbase are Wolfpack fans too.
     
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    It must be a nightmare getting in and out of Clemson on a football Saturday. I've personally experienced getting in & out of Ann Arbor for Michigan games with 110,000 fans many times, and it's horrible -- but at least Ann Arbor has multiple freeways to get out. It still takes a couple of hours of tailgating after the game before you even think about trying to get out, though. Plus you need to get there a couple of hours early to avoid gridlock, too. A Michigan game becomes an all day commitment. While Clemson has smaller crowds (but still quite large), there just isn't much decent access in & out of town.
     
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