I've watched Strome more than Huberdeau and I was very impressed everytime I saw Ryan. Good character guy, good work-ethic, responsible, just an overall good character guy. Has some wicked hands and a great shot. But Huberdeau just seems a more complete player. I can't explain why I was so impressed but I was. His playmaking is elite, his skating was good too. I am not completely sure who will be the better player though.
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great stuff from former HF writer Kirk Luedeke on Huberdeau....if you want to look around his stuff there is Strome somewhere in here with detailed stuff
http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot.com/2011/02/bruins-2011-draft-case-for-jonathan.html
http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot.com/2011/02/bruins-2011-draft-case-for-jonathan.html
Huberdeau totally controls the game with St-John's... Si I'll go with him but I'll take Strome right after
You can see the highlight of Huberdeau's game-winner here: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/2011/05/23/memorialcup_monday/
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Agreed, the laws of physics dictate that receiving a pass from that angle to that stick position, would have made an attempted one-timer a low percentage shot. I'm sure you'll find plenty of successfully executed high-percentage one-timers ("elite" or not) by both Huberdeau (@ 2:08 for example) and Strome (1:47) in these videos...
One of the best predictors of a player’s ability and upside is their production at even strength. Even strength points per game ESP/G to me is way more important to PP/G. PP is good too but is to inflate your stats already having solid even strength production around 0.8 or over for elite offensive prospect playing in the CHL.
You compare Ryan Strome and Jonathan Huberdeau to Ryan Nugen-Hopkins and it is a no contest. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has an awful: 0.63 ESP/G compared to Strome 0.97 ESP/G and Huberdeau 0.93 ESP/G
People are quick to make excuses for RNH as a top prospect mainly as if he is playing on a crab team, not one that has been top 10 CHL ranked. Yet at any rate, he is billing up most of his points on the PP while his even strength production is nowhere near elite forward status.
RNH ESP/G was closer to a shutdown dman like Jared Cowen's 0.43 in the dub than it was to Sven Bartschi's 0.93.
You compare Ryan Strome and Jonathan Huberdeau to Ryan Nugen-Hopkins and it is a no contest. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has an awful: 0.63 ESP/G compared to Strome 0.97 ESP/G and Huberdeau 0.93 ESP/G
People are quick to make excuses for RNH as a top prospect mainly as if he is playing on a crab team, not one that has been top 10 CHL ranked. Yet at any rate, he is billing up most of his points on the PP while his even strength production is nowhere near elite forward status.
RNH ESP/G was closer to a shutdown dman like Jared Cowen's 0.43 in the dub than it was to Sven Bartschi's 0.93.
Excellent addition to the conversation. It stands to reason - as I've said many times, RNH is not effective in traffic. Without time and space, he cannot produce. That's what makes Strome the better player.
FTR, Couturier is at 1.09 ESP/G
Anyone determining the better prospect by statistical analysis as the deciding factor is silly.
Have you watched RNH?
Dont want to derail a thread not about RNH, but the kids is effective in traffic PERIOD.
Is he dynamic and more effective on the PP, yes, so are ALL skill players.
Of course. That much should be obvious by the stance I have taken. Have you?
No he's not.
Yeah, funny how bad Huberdeau made Binnington look there by out-thinking him. Bad form for a goalie to guess what a player is going to do instead of reacting to what actually happens on the ice.
Nice play by Huberdeau to take advantage of Binnington's glaring error.
Sure was a lot of "thinking" and "realizing" going on there for a split second.
For Huberdeau's part, I believe he is one of the only top forwards that takes a regular shift on the PK. This naturally limits some of his ES time versus a guy like Strome, who from what I understand, never plays PK. He is likely first out after the PK is over, while Huberdeau would be on the bench with hi
Noting Huberdeau's +57 at ES is also something that is hard to ignore in terms of his impact at even strength, not to mention his impact in the playoffs at ES.
The OHL might have more offensive talent just because they get most of the best Euro's at the import draft, but the WHL is better at developing players because they have more NHL like rules and better coaching and systems.
1. Oh really, and you know this do you because you were inside the goalies head, I think not.
2. I's funny how people want to see something that isn't there to hype up their own guy.
Actually Huberdeau has a ESP/G of 1.03, Strome 0.97, and Couturier 0.91
I think Huberdeau and Strome will be much better players next year (if they do return to junior) than they were this year. Huberdeau still needs to develop physicaly and Strome just barely missed the 2012 draft class (could improve his strength and board play as well).
Couturier I think would be better served playing in the NHL. I don't think he got much better this year playing in junior. He needs to take his act to the AHL (but since he can't) needs to be in the NHL.
I think Huberdeau and Strome will be much better players next year (if they do return to junior) than they were this year. Huberdeau still needs to develop physicaly and Strome just barely missed the 2012 draft class (could improve his strength and board play as well).
Couturier I think would be better served playing in the NHL. I don't think he got much better this year playing in junior. He needs to take his act to the AHL (but since he can't) needs to be in the NHL.
The only thing it means is that his team scored 57 more goals at even strength when he was on the ice than they gave up. It doesn't say ANYTHING more or less than that.
Wow, so each goalie has a completely different set of responsibilities and each coach gives each goalie completely different sets of orders?
You've obviously never played goal if you think that you'd have to be in Binnington's head to know that where he was positioned when the shot went by him was where he went when he reacted to the pass. He didn't know Huberdeau was going to fumble the puck forever. If he had, when he shoved off the near post to get into position for the Huberdeau shot, he would have moved out a bit to cut down the angle.
*facepalm*
Who is "my guy" then? It's telling that you think others are here to "hype" guys - it says that you're here to hype someone.
As I've said many times, I don't like or dislike Huberdeau, Strome, RNH, Landeskog, Couturier or anyone else. I'm just here to tell the truth, offer my insight, and crush inane hype.
1. LOL, inane hype, you mean the kind that you keep giving your guy weather you want to admit it or not Strome.
For those that would like to fabricate the idea of RNH playing on an Island, rest assured he does not. In fact, the only player you can definitively say plays with high caliber offensiv players is Huberdeua. And it is not like he is riding their coctails, in fact it is the other way around as he is clearly their hardest working as well as their best overall player. Other than that, you are just disrespecting players like Kudrna, Froese, Petrovic, Persson etc. A team full of veteran support.
Couturier and Strome don't get more help than RNH does..
Couturier and Strome don't get more help than RNH does..
So you throw out statistics when they don't suit your purpose, but hang your point on them when they do?
Huberdeau was +59 actually. And yeah, I'm sure Huberdeau had nothing to do with the fact the ice seemed titled everytime he was on it in his team's favour. No one on his own team was even within +10 of him. It is not everything, but it does begin to give you a picture of how good he is at ES (that, and his points too), which was part of the discussion I had thought. Factor in his PK role and you get the idea.
Strome??? I think you have me confused with someone else.
The fact that you don't know who I have ranked #1 on my list speaks volumes about your little argument here.
1. I throw out stats when they don't add anything to the argument. If you think Huberdeau's +/- is a relevant individual stat, then you don't understand what +/- is. And that goes for any player.
Being +105 doesn't say ANYTHING about an individual player's defensive performance, just like being -105 doesn't. +/- is a coincidental stat and says nothing about an individual player.
2. I have never "hung my point" on statistics.
"Hey let's take a statistic that is often subject to a high margin of error then completely exaggerate it to the point where that the error would in fact be negligible and try to make the opposing argument"
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Actually, you have. I made several points about Huberdeau, but the only one you clung to was my reference to his +/-. It was a minor statistical reference. You ignored the rest of my points. It was a strange thing to respond to.
As to it being completely useless - if a guy +57 on a team versus a guy +5 on the same team - I'd disagree, and so would most. It oftens speaks to a line or defensive pairing more than the player, but it can be useful. To suggest it means absolutely "zero" is extreme to the point of being naive.
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