How would you fix the DOPS?

[kaiser matias]

Colin Campbell is the Director of Hockey Ops to whom Stewart is referring. The reason it transcends Shanahan and Burke is because it's always been Colin Campbell. We're viewing the product he wants to curate.

They created the figure heads after he was caught admonishing refs for calling penalties against his son.

Burke was in the position before Campbell took over, but yeah, it's been an issue for years and has only gotten worse.

 

[Got One Cup]

Third-party, independent panel. Never gonna happen.

Bingo!

 

[Chokingdogs]

I think they need to stop considering injury as part of the equation. I see multiple hits in the year that get nothing because the guy pops right back up and plays on. A dangerous hit is just that, we shouldn't have to wait until someone ends up in a wheelchair before the league does something.

agreed 100%. It’s been an issue for a long time, Campbell, Shanahan, didn’t matter. The league says one thing - head shots won’t be tolerated. Player A head shots somebody, gets nothing. Player B does same thing and gets suspended.

repeat offender nonsense, can’t be a repeat offender until one is a first time offender. Some players commit fouls that, by what the league says, should be suspendable but aren’t.

any player on the ice is capable of bad, regardless of star status or 4th line plug. If a LB trophy finalist elbows a guy in the kisser....suspend them. Maybe just a game, who knows?

send the message if you do X, Y will happen, and then make it happen.

 

[Tweaky]

Have you ever met the police?

Only Stewart Copeland

 

[Ovie's Neighbor]

Look what the NFL has done to protect it's QB's (their star players), you can barely touch them, they figured it out. Your star players draw in fans.

And I would argue the NHL is generally doing the same. Plenty of plays are resulting in suspensions or penalties when they didn’t in the past. But just like the NFL there are other plays that fans think should also result in a suspension.

 

[4thline]

Third-party, independent panel. Never gonna happen.

Yup. Faceless and protected from owner influence.

But looking at the catalyst of this discussion and their pretty obvious motivations on why not to suspend even that won't work without a change in mandate.

I refuse to believe that anyone in favour of good tough hockey, or that has spent any time in the game actually thinks that those were run of the mill, non suspendable plays. But DoPS trapped itself, and didn't have the stones to follow through.

Reason A- with Wilson's history, any suspension would have to be disproportionately large. League doesn't want that because
A1- when Wilson is toeing the line he's the exact player they want for their playoff "brand"
A2- they're unprincipled cowards that don't want disciplinary action to have too big of an impact on a playoff run


Reason B- while using a players hair to pull them backwards to crash helmetless headfirst onto the ice is clearly a no go, suspending it when the video is grainy and there was other grappling at the same time puts them in a pickle moving forward, as they will have to rule on future "heat of the moment" wrestling indiscretions and
B1- they don't want to put a damper on scrums (again "brand")
B2- they're unprincipled cowards and don't want to be responsible for drawing the line between what happened last night and actually run of the mill nightly occurences.


So, what we get is a copout that doesn't endorse the action as allowable, but doesn't suspend it because "there isn't enough evidence"

 

[Dangles78]

Dops is fine, u guys are just softttt

You're so cool and edgy calling people soft on an internet hockey forum.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Make it a panel of 5 former players with support from video and data analysts. Sanctions need to be updated. Also
look at each incident invidually within the context of the game, but also how it fits in historically.

 

[Mathews28]

Wait til Tom Wilson retires from hockey and give him the position.

he has been involved in hits on both ends - and been treated fairly and very unfairly (most times) - like this season when he was first player in nhl history to get suspended for that kind of hit.

He’s a smart guy, physical and understands the game, a winner who has been involved in regular season games, Stanley cup games, etc.

not trying to troll. He’d be great at it. He has seen all sides and been treated more unfair than any player in dops history. He knows more than anyone at this point.

The question at the heart of the thread was serious...what to do with the DOPS? And you use it to spew your thoughts on, and support for, Tom Wilson...under the guise that you're not trolling. Pathetic and transparent regardless of anyone's feelings about the guy.

I know a lot of posters come from very different perspectives and that's cool, that's what makes this place interesting. I think we usually respect others well-supported thoughts even when different from our own.

What no one respects is what you just did...insult the entire forum by claiming to be responding seriously to the thread's question, when you're out and out trolling. You fooled no one.

What...No self-esteem or self-respect? You're ok putting that message out? yikes.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

He didnt even get anything for that only Buchnevich. Its unbelievable

 

[Unspecified]

Is there a panel or just f***in George Parros with his CTE handing out garbage decisions? If there is no independent panel then implement it.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

This is the preferable way. It should be a committee. Not some random ex-goon.

The NHL is just bizarre when it comes to stuff like this.

Old boys club, out of all professional sports, it is the oldest and the boysiest lol.

How long has the league had that coach carousel? Just get fired and switch. Former players in every front office GMs, coaches, personal, P.A. NO OUTSIDERS ALLOWED.

It's only just starting to change.

It should be a panel including an outside doctor sports physician, old players, refs and maybe a lawyer lol.

 

[cbcwpg]

There is no fix for the DOPS because the NHL / NHLPA doesn't want it fixed.

Without changing anything, implement a minimum fine that starts at 1% of a players gross salary. When players start paying something that they will actually notice, they might change their ways.

 

[tarheelhockey]

There's one solution to the issues with DOPS and it is external to the NHL.

It's also looking inevitable, which is either a good thing or a bad thing, depending how you feel about lawyers.

 

[mdog]

This is now (yet another) official Tom Wilson thread.

 

[2 others]

I'd like the league to take a look at Parros from a medical standpoint. Give him the full medical checkup, especially his brain. I don't want to sound rude, but it's proven that your mind can't function correctly if you suffer from post traumatic concussion syndrome.
I repeat, this isn't supposed to be sarcastic or whatever. We are talking about the health of (star)players, you just can't allow stuff like that without any consequence - and 5.000$ is no consequence.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

They should post each incident in the poll section of HFBoards and the suspension will be the one with the most votes.

Should we not use an average?

So like the poll I posted we have some 0s and rest of regular season.

However we have some that also used the 30 game option.

 

[Not My Tempo]

It would probably help if you had physicians in charge. I have a hard time believing the people that told Andrew Shaw he needs to step away from the game for his own health would be okay with the constant dangerous shit that’s currently allowed to happen.

 

[Not My Tempo]

As if that would change a f***ing thing. The NHLPA exists to protect guys like Wilson from retribution for his actions, not to protect the rest of the players from him.

Hell, Tom Wilson is the NHLPA rep for the Caps, so fat chance that organization would even give him a slap on the wrist for anything he does.

Yea the NHLPA only care about the total earnings for players. A suspension lowers the total earnings while an injury doesn’t. The NHLPA fights against concussions just as hard as the NHL does.

 

[saintunspecified]

You can't fix DOPS without replacing the commissioner. There needs to be a new leader.

The owners aren't going to fire Bettman. Bettman has been in charge for all of this nonsense. He's missed so many opportunities to change the course of the game *except* when it comes to the owners' financial security, and that is all that matters. It is why the league is where it is. He has no vision for the game at all, and it shows.

 

[Neil Racki]

The question at the heart of the thread was serious...what to do with the DOPS? And you use it to spew your thoughts on, and support for, Tom Wilson...under the guise that you're not trolling. Pathetic and transparent regardless of anyone's feelings about the guy.

I know a lot of posters come from very different perspectives and that's cool, that's what makes this place interesting. I think we usually respect others well-supported thoughts even when different from our own.

What no one respects is what you just did...insult the entire forum by claiming to be responding seriously to the thread's question, when you're out and out trolling. You fooled no one.

What...No self-esteem or self-respect? You're ok putting that message out? yikes.

This thread is just a continuation of wilson bashing .. under the guise of being about the DOPS.

Same as the "enforcer" thread.

You actually thought the OP didnt intend for this to be another Wilson vent thread? Yikes my man

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

You can't fix DOPS without replacing the commissioner. There needs to be a new leader.

The owners aren't going to fire Bettman. Bettman has been in charge for all of this nonsense. He's missed so many opportunities to change the course of the game *except* when it comes to the owners' financial security, and that is all that matters. It is why the league is where it is. He has no vision for the game at all, and it shows.

It's the Director of Hockey Operations that pulls these strings, that's the good o'l boy position. As you allude to in your second paragraph Bettman enacts the financial and marketing interests of the collective owners group.

Bettman doesn't control on ice products, he's concerned with the NHL's brand. Colin Campbell is the person calling the on ice shots. DoPS reports to him, and the past has shown he has no compunction about using his influences to dictate officiating.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

This thread is just a continuation of wilson bashing .. under the guise of being about the DOPS.

Same as the "enforcer" thread.

You actually thought the OP didnt intend for this to be another Wilson vent thread? Yikes my man

How long after a Wilson suspension or fine is it ok for people to discuss DoPS?

 

[boredem]

And I would argue the NHL is generally doing the same. Plenty of plays are resulting in suspensions or penalties when they didn’t in the past. But just like the NFL there are other plays that fans think should also result in a suspension.

I agree it has definitely gotten better, and no league will be perfect.

 

[saintunspecified]

Bettman doesn't control on ice products, he's concerned with the NHL's brand. Colin Campbell is the person calling the on ice shots. DoPS reports to him, and the past has shown he has no compunction about using his influences to dictate officiating.

Who does Colin Campbell report to?