Discussion in 'Fugu's Business of Hockey Forum' started by Dario Cueto, Aug 7, 2005.
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It's one of the relocation candidates along with Portland, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, Milwaukee, Winterpeg and Houston.
The Avs and Kings usualy play an exhibition game there every year.
Forgive my ignorance, but what other pro sports teams does Vegas have?
Minor leagues. AAA baseball, ECHL hockey. That kind of stuff.
Does Vegas even have an arena?
No but they are going to be building an arena soon. They're trying to get an NBA team there.
Also the NBA All-Star game will be in Vegas in 2007 at the Thomas & Mack Center in Vegas.
Edit: They do have an arena, Orleans Arena where the Wranglers (ECHL) play.
They've got an ECHL team "Las Vegas Wranglers".
Edit: The Las Vegas Wranglers play at the same arena that has an annual "Pimp N Ho Costume Ball".
And the Arena Football League Las Vegas Gladiators.
Las Vegas does have the population to support a pro-level sports team.
As for the arena, where to build it is the question. You want to put it in a location where the crowds are, but where the bulk of the crowds in Las Vegas are at is The Strip, and land on The Strip starts in the low millions an acre on the northern end of the Strip. I think an arena north of Sahara in between the Sahara and the Stratosphere would be a good location. Right now there are two proposed condo towers in that area, but whether they actually get built is another story. There a quite a number of these condo projects being proposed, but who knows how many of them will never be built. Another Strip area location that could be good would be the area around Convention Center Drive in between the Wynn and The Riveria. There are a few casino and motels on that road, and are still there awaiting someone to buy them and tear them down (The Royal Casino, Greek Isles Casino, and a few motels).
How would an NHL team do in Vegas?
There's no market in Vegas for a major pro hockey team to begin with, and there would be too much competition for the average joe's buck from the well-established gaming and entertainment industries. Who the hell's going to want to watch a hockey game when they can go to a casino, see a show, etc.?
Who the hell in Vegas is going to watch a hockey game when they can go to a casino, see a show, etc.?
Last November I saw the Wranglers play the Aces I got free tickets so I couldn't pass it up. Anyway I was talking to a security guard when I went to get the tickets my name was on the list and talked to him again when going in and he said this was a big crowd for a weekday and the arena was probably 70-80% full. From what I got out of the conversation he said there were too many things going on so hockey was pretty much on the bottom of the list. If Gomez wasn't playing for the Aces at the time the arena would have probably been pretty empty.
With over 5,000 new residents moving into Las Vegas every month, Las Vegas is one of the if not the fasting growing city in the US. Folks are moving there from all over the country, so perhaps a team in one of the big 4 sports leagues would fare better than a team in one of the minor leagues would. The T&M Center is not set up properly for hockey, and the Orleans Arena is too small for NHL hockey.
A new arena in Las Vegas would be best built as part of the LV Convention Center or on the property of a casino. With several older properties (New Frontier, Stardust) slated to be demolished and new resorts built on those sites, several others rumored to be torn down in a few years as well (Bourbon Street, Bally's, Circus Circus), and others that could possibly change ownership and be torn down (Riviera, Sahara, Tropicana), there could be a good possiblity to incorporate a 18,000-20,000 seat arena into the plans for the casino. Perhaps one of the megacasino companies (MGM-Mandalay Bay or Harrah's) will take the lead in getting an arena built in Las Vegas.
I'm willing to bet much of their draw would be male tourists taking their wives to the game in exchange for being forced to sit through a Celine Dion concert the previous night...
It doesn't matter if 5000 people move to Las Vegas every month. Maybe one or two of those 5000 would want to go to a hockey game in Vegas.
An NHL team in Vegas would have next to nil local fan support, and absolutely no support from tourists, which are still by-and-far the single greatest driving factor behind the Vegas economy. NHL hockey would play second fiddle to The Strip.
The idea of an NHL team in Vegas reeks of the CFL's Posse.
Las Vegas Wranglers.
Thusfar the argument has been from ignorant people who've never been to Vegas the city and buy into 50's stigmata.
You guys watch too many movies.
So... a "B" level NHL talent is able to fill the arena to 80% by himself? Imagine what two full teams of NHL talent could do...
Well, I knew they had a hockey rink, afterall, the Wranglers are the Flames AA affiliate.
I was wondering if they had one at NHL standards. Interesting to know they are building one.
I'm willing to bet male tourists would rather go to an adult show and see some *******. I know I would.
I'm probably being biased but "B" level?. The security guard said it was a bigger than normal crowd for a hockey game on a tuesday I believe it was.
I've been to Vegas, and the last thing on my mind was NHL hockey.
Do you consider Gomez to be a star in the NHL? Do you not think a Joe Thornton type might have more drawing power?
The Avs and Kings play at the MGM Grand. What its hockey specs are I have no idea.
I am going to vegas next month and was looking forward to the kings, avalanche game but I am going a few weeks to early for it. After I found out about the ECHL game I wanted to go and I called Scott and got tickets.
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