How worthless is the " Messier leadership " award?

[CanuckGame39]

You just went full Derp

The fact that he has 2 cups without Gretzky was your argument means you went full derp.

After acting like as big of a scum bag as Messier did in Vancouver. That should have automatically disqualified his ass from having a award for leadership made in his name.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Probably as useless as grace periods. But it’ll probably be used in an argument to prop players up.

This is a bad post and you should be embarrassed.

 

[glovesave_35]

Pretty worthless.

 

[glovesave_35]

Probably as useless as grace periods. But it’ll probably be used in an argument to prop players up.

What do you mean by grace periods? Let's assume I spend less time on here than the average poster.

 

[Senor Catface]

I think if we're talking about "worth," it's about half-way between Lay's Classic Potato Chips and Lay's Lightly Salted Potato Chips. I'm not sure if it's ahead of the Lay's Sea Salt and Pepper Potato Chips, but the last poll I saw on TSN had it ahead of both Lays Sour Cream and Onion Potato Chips and Lay's Smokey Bacon Potato Chips.

Hope that helps.

 

[Nick Hansen]

It should've been named after Jean Beliveau.

Messier's too controversial of a player after a number of really bad hits and his time in Vancouver.

 

[Braunbaer]

Every award is worthless.

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

still worth more than the frank selke

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

still worth more than the frank selke

Absolutely not.

 

[Not So Mighty]

This thread delivers, which is more than I can say for Messier's leadership qualities.

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

Absolutely not.

The best denfensive forward among those who are better offensively than 80% to 95% of the league's forwards .....sorry but that award lost all meaning through the years.

 

[Price is Wright]

There should be two Mark Messier awards. The other is called the Old Moose award for the player that best exemplifies individual selfishness like sitting out because you think you're not paid enough, sitting out to be traded, forcing players to lose a letter to them, forcing numbers to be unretired, playing in meaningless exhibitions while still an active player for a different team, refusing to retire when you can hardly play anymore and dogging it in practice to set a good example. You know, the qualities of a true leader.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

It's also kind of hilarious Messier has a leadership award after what he did in Vancouver.

He was just fine in Vancouver.

What other fanbase puts their hopes on a 36 year old?


Until this day, not a single Canuck fan could explain to me with any degree of rationality why they hate Messier and Keenan.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Well did the player win it in his D+4 year or his D+5 year, cause the two are completely different?

It means absolutely nothing, and just out of curiosity when Messier passes away does the award go away as well?



Mark Messier NHL Leadership Award | NHL.com - News

All the players that have won the award have always been noted for their leadership. Nothing wrong with it in my opinion.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

should be renamed the ''dirtiest player with no hair left but is still a great player'' award. Sounds alot like Getlzaf to me. lol

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

He was just fine in Vancouver.

What other fanbase puts their hopes on a 36 year old?

Until this day, not a single Canuck fan could explain to me with any degree of rationality why they hate Messier and Keenan.

I'm guessing you're trying to get a rise out of Canucks fans?

I'm not even a fan but of the team but Messier's misdeeds with Vancouver are pretty clear, starting with the hit on Linden in 94. Underperforming on a big contract, blaming things like the quality of the ice, wearing Maki's number, taking the C from real leader Linden.

I can't imagine if someone joining the Wings, wore Konstantinov's number, took the C from Yzerman, AND underperformed on top of all that. They'd be dead to Wings fans for all eternity.

 

[Damisoph]

not sure if serious, putting ESPY and prestigious in same sentence.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Slightly above a free coupon on the back of a cereal box...

 

[TheAngryHank]

I'm guessing you're trying to get a rise out of Canucks fans?

I'm not even a fan but of the team but Messier's misdeeds with Vancouver are pretty clear, starting with the hit on Linden in 94. Underperforming on a big contract, blaming things like the quality of the ice, wearing Maki's number, taking the C from real leader Linden.

I can't imagine if someone joining the Wings, wore Konstantinov's number, took the C from Yzerman, AND underperformed on top of all that. They'd be dead to Wings fans for all eternity.

Is it THAT bad? First the wings would never allow something like that but if so? Detroit would burn.

 

[ricky0034]

Its worthless because how the hell do you know when you vote who the best leaders in the rooms are?
"Messier solicited suggestions from teams and League personnel and fans, but the former Edmonton Oilers, New York Rangers and Vancouver Canucks captain makes the final selection of the three finalists and the winner".

Messier was a great player and captain and im a NYR fan but how on earth does he know who the best leaders are on every team and compare them to each other. You have to be on the inside of every team on a daily basis to actually have a valid opinion on it.

yeah,kinda tough to take an award seriously when the concept itself is so flawed

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Is it THAT bad? First the wings would never allow something like that but if so? Detroit would burn.

That's pretty much what he did in Vancouver. In my example I forgot to start with imagining a player cheapshotted Yzerman in the playoffs, then came to the team a few years later and took his captaincy.

And I didn't even get into the stuff about his role in shipping players out and having the owner and GM's ear on personnel because it's harder to know for sure how true that was.

 

[joestevens29]

messier was an overrated leader. When he came to vancouver he promised the same thing and they didnt even make the playoffs, lol.

But he knew Vancouver sucked, he was just Being nice

 

[Channelcat]

It's also kind of hilarious Messier has a leadership award after what he did in Vancouver.

They deserved it.

 

[RageQuit77]

Saku Koivu -leadership award would make more sense to me. Sort of combination of Lady Byng, Bill Masterton, King Clancy trophies with long term captaincy ('C' and/or 'A') requirement for eligibility. Something like:

• Captain of Team Finland – 1998–2010
• Captain of the Montreal Canadiens – 1999–2009
  
• Playing hockey "from the edge of his own grave"

I have no bigger objections about winners of Messier's award, Messier himself being very well eligible for this hypothetic Saku Koivu -award.

 

[Arselona]

We'll find out when Deryk Engelland tries to pawn it in "Pawn Stars".