How will you feel if Washington wins the #1 pick in 2012, with the pick from Colorado

[Its Alright Ma]

Better for the Caps was the addition of solid depth players. They don't need more offensive talent. They need to "get" playoff hockey, and as good as Yakupov might be he won't bring them that.

Also, Colorado isn't a bottom five team. They are in the bottom half and probably bottom third though, but if things break right they could make the playoffs. But then again, we were saying that about the leafs after the Kessel deal, and it ended up being the #2 pick

 

[AlexanderTheGood]

You must not watch much Avs hockey if you think they are a bottom 5 team. Reminds me of the 2009 year.

Sounds so much like Calgary Flames fans after the Jokinen trade/Leafs fans after the Kessel fiasco...

 

[Mules]

Sounds so much like Calgary Flames fans after the Jokinen trade/Leafs fans after the Kessel fiasco...

We will see. As a fan, we always hope for the best, it is out of our hands after all. We all could support the team, but we have not too much say on it.

PS: To think I support Boston on the playoff... Seems that their fanbase is just as arrogant as the Canucks.

 

[AlexanderTheGood]

We will see. As a fan, we always hope for the best, it is out of our hands after all. We all could support the team, but we have not too much say on it.

PS: To think I support Boston on the playoff... Seems that their fanbase is just as arrogant as the Canucks.

"As arrogant as a Canucks fan..."? Brutal... I wouldn't call Canucks fans arrogant either... it's some other peculiar quality...

Besides all of that, please, why is it arrogant to draw a pattern between your club's fan reaction to the transaction of a 1st round pick, and similar transactions and reactions in other organizations?

 

[Pual Statsny]

"As arrogant as a Canucks fan..."? Brutal... I wouldn't call Canucks fans arrogant either... it's some other peculiar quality...

Besides all of that, please, why is it arrogant to draw a pattern between your club's fan reaction to the transaction of a 1st round pick, and similar transactions and reactions in other organizations?

a) We made the playoffs the year before last.

b) We were 4th in the west in December.

c) A core of Duchene, Landeskog, Stastny, O'Reilly, EJ, Varlamov is better than a core of Kessel, Phaneuf, Gustavsson, Schenn, Kaberle, and Bozak.

 

[Freudian]

Imagine if Washington gave up a lottery pick for Brouwer? It would be so weird.

 

[Eaglepride*]

won't happen sure their goaltending got way better but their team lacks heart and you can't win without passion and heart, period.

I don't see the Avalanche as a bottom 5 team, not playoff bound but also not bottom 5 bad.

 

[nanzenkills]

Imagine if Washington gave up a lottery pick for Brouwer? It would be so weird.

I don't think these two trades are comparable situations. First, Varlamov has the potential to be a much higher impact player than Brouwer, so it is natural that he brings more in trade. Second, the position (26th) of the first rounder given up for Brouwer was set in stone before that trade was made, unlike this situation, where Colorado's results this coming year will probably determine who wins this trade.

 

[Dellstrom]

The only time I don't like the Capitals is when they're playing the Bruins, so I wouldn't care.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Colorado looks pretty solid right now, and barring injuries, we should at LEAST make the 2nd round of the playoffs. Our core is still intact, and anybody lost was replaced by somebody as good or better.



That being said, it was an overpayment on our behalf, but Sherman apparently doesn't mind overpaying for players he values, especially if it's an organizational hole.

 

[JohnHodgson]

This is nothing like the Leafs trade, the Avs team is done rebuilding and set for the foreseeable future. The Leafs were not. The Avs traded for a #1 goalie, not a winger. A 30-30, 1 dimensional winger isn't nearly as valuable as #1 goalie, and Burke expected a lot more then a 30-30 player.

Correction: The Avs traded for a goalie who has proven nothing with injury histories. Varlamov has never played more than 27 games in one season. It it is way too soon to call him a #1 goalie. Way too soon.

 

[Rhaego]

Correction: The Avs traded for a goalie who has proven nothing with injury histories. Varlamov has never played more than 27 games in one season. It it is way too soon to call him a #1 goalie. Way too soon.

More playoff experience than Vokoun

 

[R S]

Correction: The Avs traded for a goalie who has proven nothing with injury histories. Varlamov has never played more than 27 games in one season. It it is way too soon to call him a #1 goalie. Way too soon.

Well, technically speaking he is the Avs number one goalie...

 

[JohnHodgson]

a) We made the playoffs the year before last.

b) We were 4th in the west in December.

c) A core of Duchene, Landeskog, Stastny, O'Reilly, EJ, Varlamov is better than a core of Kessel, Phaneuf, Gustavsson, Schenn, Kaberle, and Bozak.

a) And?

b) Season doesn't end in December. Maybe you guys just had a hot start and cooled down. Final standings is what counts. You guys ended up being the 2nd worst team in the NHL when things were said and done.

c) Your "core" consists of ton of question marks in Landeskog, O'Reilly, EJ and Varlamov. Landeskog and ROR being very young and not have proven much. Varlamov who has never surpassed 27 games in a single year. Erik Johnson who still hasn't proven to be a legit #1 defenseman, because if he was then St.Louis wouldn't have traded him away. Duchene will be a great player, and Stastny isn't even that great. Guy has never passed 80 points in a year before despite the hype and praise. Not to mention he has had 2 injury riddled years in 4 seasons played. This so called "core" of yours is basically potential.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Well, technically speaking he is the Avs number one goalie...

Technically speaking there are 30 #1 defenseman in this league.

 

[Phenom97]

imagine if they got a top 3 pick then traded backstrom for another one and drafted yakupov and grigerenko...

ovechkin grigerenko yakupov....

have fun stoping that

one can only dream

Wouldn't be that hard.......

 

[JohnHodgson]

More playoff experience than Vokoun

Don't know why Colorado didn't spend some money to get Vokoun instead. In my opinion they are not completely done a rebuild. Their defense is really mediocre at best besides EJ and he still hasnt proven to be a legit #1 defenseman. The offense is mediocre besides Stastny and Duchene. Hejduk will be retiring soon so he won't have much of a impact long-term wise. They are counting on ROR, Landeskog, Hishon and Mueller to be impactful when they have really less experience. Their offense is full of question marks, their defense is full of question marks and now your goalie position is filled with question marks.

 

[NothingLikeAnEJ]

Don't know why Colorado didn't spend some money to get Vokoun instead. In my opinion they are not completely done a rebuild. Their defense is really mediocre at best besides EJ and he still hasnt proven to be a legit #1 defenseman. The offense is mediocre besides Stastny and Duchene. Hejduk will be retiring soon so he won't have much of a impact long-term wise. They are counting on ROR, Landeskog, Hishon and Mueller to be impactful when they have really less experience. Their offense is full of question marks, their defense is full of question marks and now your goalie position is filled with question marks.

And your team still hasn't won a cup in 40+ years...

good night sweet prince.

 

[R S]

Technically speaking there are 30 #1 defenseman in this league.

Technically you are correcct.

Don't know why Colorado didn't spend some money to get Vokoun instead. In my opinion they are not completely done a rebuild. Their defense is really mediocre at best besides EJ and he still hasnt proven to be a legit #1 defenseman. The offense is mediocre besides Stastny and Duchene. Hejduk will be retiring soon so he won't have much of a impact long-term wise. They are counting on ROR, Landeskog, Hishon and Mueller to be impactful when they have really less experience. Their offense is full of question marks, their defense is full of question marks and now your goalie position is filled with question marks.

Yeah, but the Avs staff don't think they are question marks. It's based around players they have scouted, worked to get and are now committed to.

I guess we'll have to believe them and hope they are right.

And for the record, their offense isn't really "mediocre" outside of Duchene-Stastny. They were the highest scoring team in the first half of last season for a reason, and it wasn't all those two players.

 

[John Price]

Yes, my glasses are that thick.

 

[Rhaego]

a) And?

b) Season doesn't end in December. Maybe you guys just had a hot start and cooled down. Final standings is what counts. You guys ended up being the 2nd worst team in the NHL when things were said and done.

c) Your "core" consists of ton of question marks in Landeskog, O'Reilly, EJ and Varlamov. Landeskog and ROR being very young and not have proven much. Varlamov who has never surpassed 27 games in a single year. Erik Johnson who still hasn't proven to be a legit #1 defenseman, because if he was then St.Louis wouldn't have traded him away. Duchene will be a great player, and Stastny isn't even that great. Guy has never passed 80 points in a year before despite the hype and praise. Not to mention he has had 2 injury riddled years in 4 seasons played. This so called "core" of yours is basically potential.

It doesn't help when your team has been bad and your playing with AHL level players. His rookie year he had good players and he put up 79. He isn't injury riddled either. Blocking shots doesn't equal being injury riddled.

 

[Brewsky]

And your team still hasn't won a cup in 40+ years...

good night sweet prince.

So instead of addressing the concerns about your team that the poster had, you just respond back with "DURRRRR NO CUP 40 YEARS"

Did you win the Cup last year or something? No, so if you are not the reigning champion, why you bragging about anything that happened almost a decade ago?

 

[TRASHCAT]

And your team still hasn't won a cup in 40+ years...

good night sweet prince.

oh SNAP

Apparently teams with cups cant make awful, awful, trades.

Learn something new on HFboards everyday!

 

[JohnHodgson]

And your team still hasn't won a cup in 40+ years...

good night sweet prince.

Relevant.

 

[NothingLikeAnEJ]

So instead of addressing the concerns about your team that the poster had, you just respond back with "DURRRRR NO CUP 40 YEARS"

Did you win the Cup last year or something? No, so if you are not the reigning champion, why you bragging about anything that happened almost a decade ago?

I've replied to him in other threads. He knows nothing about the state of the Avs.

Management and fans have seen how good the team played last year before 11 of their 23 roster players got injured and Forsberg went through that whole circus. We are not a lottery team, and if I were a betting man, as long as they stay relatively healthy, the Avs will make the playoffs.




(still no cup in 40 years)