12# Peter Bondra
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He made Team Canada, fresh out of the OHL.
http://www.hhof.com/html/TeamRosterCCUP1991CAN.shtml
No Stevie Y, Pierre Turgeon (with good reason!) or Joe Nieuwendyk on that squad.
That's good, I think disagreeing with something in one of your posts is a sign of the apocalypse. I never saw Gillies play so when I read "premiere power forward" in a HOF debate 9 times out of 10 it refers to Neely.Actually, the player I was referring to was Clark Gillies and the dynasty was the NY Islanders. Was not talking about Neely at all, sorry for the confusion.
I think this was all a part of Lindros's game. His recklessness amounted to more spectacular goals than injuries, but that's a game of attrition someone with his body can't play. His game was, to bring in another cliche, played on the edge. He was fast, big, skilled, and strong and could do things virtually nobody else could do. He just didn't have the skull to match.Does talk to the "skill" of knowing how to pace yourself on the ice. Some of his injuries were surely unavoidable, but the guy was pretty reckless (carefree) and didn't always play smart when it came to sparing his body unnecessary stress in high traffic areas of the ice. Not suggesting he should have ever played a wimpy perimeter game, however, there is a reason why some of the greats endure long-term - they pick their spots (and keep their head up).
Lindros was a fairly dominating player for 3 years. Never did score 50 goals, however. Not even in a "lower-scoring" era that saw other players do it who were supposedly inferior to him. Only got 100 points once. Yes, he missed a lot of games in some seasons, but in my opinion he will be remembered as a great talent who never reached his potential due to many reasons: he was a baby, his style of play came back to haunt him, his attitude, messing around with Brind'Amour's wife, concussions, etc. He could have been a top 75 player all-time, had he stayed healthy longer. He WAS better than Cam Neely (who should NOT be in the HOF), but was not much better. Had he kept his head up, his stick down, and played in Quebec with Sakic at the get-go, he very well could have had a completely different career. But we'll never know.
Well, Stevie Y should have been there in my opinion.
Definetaly, I think he had the ability to be better than Jagr at his peak, and I think its becoming clear that Jagr is a top 25 player all time, therefore I think Lindros could definetaly have been top 20. That all said, just because he was better than a certain player in the HHOF is a brutal reason to put a player in I think, making the HHOF should be based on many more things than simply being statistically better than someone else.Thats a good call Kruez. Jerk or not, for a short while his numbers were at an elite level and its not like he was a one year wonder. Even more than stats, he dominated like very few have IMO. In the end, I'll take Lindros at his best over Neely and alot of other players in the Hall but thats not to say that he belongs there. IMO he's getting badly undervalued because of the way he's going out.
I wouldn't put Lindros in the Hall, but if Neely is in Lindros should be in as well. Lindros was a much better hockey player than Neely. Both should be out.
i think it's misleading to judge him by his lack of 50 goal seasons. he had 5 seasons ('92-'97 where he was on pace for at least 50, and he did have four 40 goal seasons. forsberg in comparison, in his best season, only scored 30 goals. and putting lindros down because he only had 1 100 point season sort of loses it's merit when forsberg, who is seemingly universally regarded as having a superior career has a grand total of 2.
you make a good point about what would have happened had lindros played in quebec with sakic, sundin, nolan et all - it's hard to say the nords (or avs if they still were sold out by aubut) wouldn't still have won cups. there would've been alot of talent on those teams. if lindros had won a Cup in the career he put up i doubt there'd be any question as to his hall of fame status today.