How much higher should have Suzuki and Caufield been drafted?

[Rebels57]

Maybe Flyers dig "this type" ... big centers like Couturier, Patrick, Hayes

Probably a good idea to trade Patrick. Change of scenery for both

Look Bruins have a struggling player that could use a change of scenery

Debrusk for Patrick?

Well we also drafted Morgan Frost 27th overall in that same round and he is a smaller cerebral playmaking center (who missed all of 20-21 with a shoulder injury and we are hoping comes back next season and makes an impact). I don't think they drafted Patrick because they liked that type per say. He was a consenus top 2 pick that draft and almost every team takes him 2nd overall that year. Just how it goes some years. Scouts get it wrong.

Value wise Patrick for DeBrusk is fine but we have a glut of wingers as it is so it doesn't make sense from a needs stand point.

 

[majormajor]

Girard and Makar vs Vegas

You do understand half the battle is along the boards and in front of the net in the playoffs

Yeah and I also understand that there's a big difference in that regard between Girard and Makar. One of those players is a lot stronger and has much more reach than the other.

 

[Captain97]

You sure this was an option Vegas had?

We'll never know for sure but the report was Montreal wanted Glass or Branstrom and Vegas countered with Suzuki.

 

[HabsAddict]

Revisit this thread next spring.

Bet some money that a CC-Suzuki-Taffoli line will be top 5 in the NHL next year. Possibly 2 40 goal scorers.

Just saying....

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Wasnt it pretty common knowledge that Caulfield was a top talent but dropped because of his size? If he were 6'2 he'd have been a top pick.

 

[HabsAddict]

BTW...one of the trainers who frequents my friends bar says that CC flips the puck on his stick with his eyes closed. Probably the same thing with the golf ball.

The puck I can see it...but the golf ball? We need a video of that. A light round ball on a curved stick getting flipped....with eyes closed....it would be jaw dropping..

BTW...remember the trick videos Kovalev use to put out? They looked like just trick videos..until you saw him pull some of his moves in a game.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I’d say they both go a few spots higher. But it’s way too early to be doing this. A lot of people over react to small sample sizes.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Revisit this thread next spring.

Bet some money that a CC-Suzuki-Taffoli line will be top 5 in the NHL next year. Possibly 2 40 goal scorers.

Just saying....

Two 40 goal scorers? Highly unlikely imo. Unless Toffoli gets to play the Canucks every game.

 

[DearDiary]

Revisit this thread next spring.

Bet some money that a CC-Suzuki-Taffoli line will be top 5 in the NHL next year. Possibly 2 40 goal scorers.

Just saying....

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Oh the Habs did right. The question why did the Knights do it.

I had to fix it. It sounded like Montreal made a mistake... which they didn't make.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Caufield would have went first overall if he was 6’2

 

[Frank Drebin]

I'm a Flyers fan and I wouldn't bet a single penny on Patrick developing into a better player than Suzuki. Ironically the Flyers held the 13th pick heading into that 2017 Draft Lottery and had we not won could have possibly ended up with Suzuki. Instead we "got lucky" to move up to 2nd and draft Nolan Patrick, who is on track to be one of the bigger busts in our history.

Really weird how that 2017 draft panned out.
New Jersey (5, Petterson) N. Hischler
Philly (13, Suzuki) N.Patrick
Dallas (8, Middlestat) M. Heisman
Colorado(1, Hischler) Makar
Vancouver (2, Patrick) Petterson
Vegas (3, Heiskanen) Glass


So out of the six teams that were primarily affected by the lottery, 2 of the 3 winners were actually losers, and two of the teams that were devastated by losing the lottery ended up with franchise players.

 

[Theodore450]

We'll never know for sure but the report was Montreal wanted Glass or Branstrom and Vegas countered with Suzuki.

Negotiations 1000

 

[vanarchy]

Revisit this thread next spring.

Bet some money that a CC-Suzuki-Taffoli line will be top 5 in the NHL next year. Possibly 2 40 goal scorers.

Just saying....

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Gotta love it when Kotkaniemi, Suzuki and Caufield all score in the same semi final playoff game. Too bad Romanov is not sharing in the glory.

 

[JoeMc]

Revisit this thread next spring.

Bet some money that a CC-Suzuki-Taffoli line will be top 5 in the NHL next year. Possibly 2 40 goal scorers.

Just saying....

That is a very optimistic prediction. A safer bet would be neither player ever scoring 40 goals in a season.

 

[The GM]

They both probably should have been first overall in their respective draft years, maybe even a new exceptional prospect exemption that allows them to be drafted a year earlier

 

[Siludin]

Maybe others

But already enough sample size of Jack Hughes

Weird post - Hughes was good enough to play in the NHL two years earlier than Caufield and Hughes' ppg numbers are on par with Caufield this season. Caufield also plays for a better team.

 

[Evergreen]

I mean being a top 15 pick is pretty darn good. Someone needs to explain to me how Brayden Point went in the third round.

Point is a smaller player and his skating wasn’t great when he was drafted. He’s improved it a lot.

 

[SwedishFire]

My guess is scrawny kid that got into good shape/strong lower base

Similar question can be asked about Marchand

Points skating was bad. Small guy too. But they took their time to train up Points skating

 

[Frank Drebin]

I mean being a top 15 pick is pretty darn good. Someone needs to explain to me how Brayden Point went in the third round.

Scouts don't go to Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan to watch hockey.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Makar
Heiskanen
Petterson
Suzuki


Suzuki can be first in few years if he develops à la patrice bergeron

First what? Cale Makar is damn near a PPG dman. Suzuki is good but lets not get carried away here.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Suzuki firmly #4 in a redraft

1. Makar/Pettersson
3. Heiskanen
4. Suzuki

2019 is harder to say, give it two more years and it's as clear as 2017

Right now you have

Hughes
Dach
Caufield
Zegras
Knight
Seider

I probably go with Dach just because his floor is already a top 6 center. Then you have Zegras Hughes center potential and Knight as the best G prospect since Vasilevskiy.

There is no winger I take above Caufield and only Pettersson as a fwd I take above Suzuki

I'd take Heiskanen over anyone in that draft.

I'd take Caufield over any of the players you listed from that draft. I won't say for sure that he will be the best player from the draft because it's early, and someone could come out of nowhere. But, it's looking like he'll be better than Hughes and the others you listed, which sucks for the Devils lol.

How is Dach's floor a top-6 center when he is currently below that? He's honestly nowhere near being a top-6 center right now, and he really doesn't look that impressive outside of a handful of games in last year's playoffs.

 

[AcerComputer]

Revisit this thread next spring.

Bet some money that a CC-Suzuki-Taffoli line will be top 5 in the NHL next year. Possibly 2 40 goal scorers.

Just saying....

There is a better chance Taffoli pulls a Jeff Skinner.

 

[AcerComputer]

Caufield would have went first overall if he was 6’2

Nils Hoglander is better.