How many years has Sidney Crosby been the best player?

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Just the answer I expect from someone who used "LOLs" and smilies in their posts.

Check out the "Best player in the World" thread in the HOH. Must be a lot of fanboys there in too.

Deserved response for a such ludicrous list made by a Crosby fanboy.

HOH Board is a better place to discuss about the greatest players in history because there are a lot more posters there with the necessary knowledge and analysis to make their point clear and better than your very subjective and ridiculous list.

 

[daver]

Deserved response for a such ludicrous list made by a Crosby fanboy.

HOH Board is a better place to discuss about the greatest players in history because there are a lot more posters there with the necessary knowledge and analysis to make their point clear and better than your very subjective and ridiculous list.

And my list pretty much matches the list from HOH. So piss off with your subjective and ridiculous comments.

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

And my list pretty much matches the list from HOH. So piss off with your subjective and ridiculous comments.

How about no? But yeah I'm seeing that you are pissed off because I'm right.

 

[kmart]

ovechkin just bested him again h2h while leading his team to a cup if mcdavid needs to beat anybody to be the best its ao btw... he is almost 10 goals up on mcd i can understand why mcjesus fanbodys defer to compare to crosby... go ahead and comfort urselfs... canada#1

 

[Sparksrus3]

List the amount of years or seasons Sidney Crosby been the best player in the NHL.

Not a Pens fan, not a Cyndy fan but my answer is All of them

 

[GreatGonzo]

And my list pretty much matches the list from HOH. So piss off with your subjective and ridiculous comments.

You called Crosby the best player along side Ovechkin in 2008 with only 58 games played, even after Malkins career year...in 2012 with only 22, and somehow came to the conclusion that he was just as good as Kane in 2016......

Yet he’s ridiculous?

 

[Varan]

You called Crosby the best player along side Ovechkin in 2008 with only 58 games played, even after Malkins career year...in 2012 with only 22, and somehow came to the conclusion that he was just as good as Kane in 2016......

Yet he’s ridiculous?

because PPG

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm probably going to regret in participating in this mess of a thread, but the thing that set Crosby aside as the best player in hockey for a long time was his consistency of producing. Sure, he may have seasons where Henrik Sedin was better, but there was no players that were consistently better than him outside of Ovi from 2007-2010. Crosby was the best player in hockey in probably 4 or 5 seasons so far in his career (and yes, Crosby was the best player in hockey in 2010-2011 despite getting injured), but who is the best every year matters less than guys who are say in the top-5 every year.

Crosby has been top-5 in the NHL in a huge majority of the seasons in his career, which is where he gets his reputation from. He's not the best year in and year out, but he's the guy who is the most consistently at the top of the NHL. The only stretch where someone has been consistently better than him was Ovechkin at Ovi's peak and McDavid since 2016-2017 (although I think 2016-2017 is way closer than some would like to admit).

 

[Brownbeard]

It's always been arguable that Ovechkin is the better player.

 

[GreatGonzo]

because PPG

That’s even better considering Ovechkin finishes first in PPG in ‘08 with Malkin finishing 1st in 2012, while Crosby’s games played was to insignificant.

Never a dull moment.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's always been arguable that Ovechkin is the better player.

It is arguable if you're still living in 2010.

 

[Ultimate Bandwagon]

There were those couple years when Schrödinger and Planck were clearly smarter. Bohr is also criminally underrated on this site.

This made me lol
Well done

 

[SotasicA]

It's always been arguable that Ovechkin is the better player.

Not really. Crosby's been the best player throughout his career. Others have had better seasons, sure, but up until maybe right now when McDavid's era is starting, he's been the single best hockey player in the world.

 

[Chain Attack]

Too scared to present your own list are we? Not surprised. Easier to just hit the insert smilie button.

05-06 Jagr/Thornton
06-07 Crosby/Thornton
07-08 Ovechkin/Datsyuk
08-09 Ovechkin/Datsyuk
09-10 Ovechkin/H.Sedin
10-11 D.Sedin/Crosby
11-12 Malkin/Stamkos
12-13 Ovechkin/Crosby
13-14 Crosby/Malkin
14-15 Ovechkin/Price
15-16 Kane/Crosby
16-17 McDavid/Crosby
17-18 McDavid/Mackinnon

 

[Varan]

That’s even better considering Ovechkin finishes first in PPG in ‘08 with Malkin finishing 1st in 2012, while Crosby’s games played was to insignificant.

Never a dull moment.

nah the thing is, he’s using the missed games to his advantage, saying how he had basically the same PPG, so imagine how many point he would have scored with that PPG, completely disregarding the length of a season and how it wears on you, hard to keep up such a pace, etc.

since SC got injured, he can play this card

 

[Varan]

05-06 Jagr/Thornton
06-07 Crosby/Thornton
07-08 Ovechkin/Datsyuk
08-09 Ovechkin/Datsyuk
09-10 Ovechkin/H.Sedin
10-11 D.Sedin/Crosby
11-12 Malkin/Stamkos
12-13 Ovechkin/Crosby
13-14 Crosby/Malkin
14-15 Ovechkin/Price
15-16 Kane/Crosby
16-17 McDavid/Crosby
17-18 McDavid/Mackinnon

love dats but i’d put crosby and malkin ahead

sedin?

stamkos was not on malkins level

crosby was better than OV in 12/13

remove mack

 

[GreatGonzo]

Not really. Crosby's been the best player throughout his career. Others have had better seasons, sure, but up until maybe right now when McDavid's era is starting, he's been the single best hockey player in the world.

I’m curious then how he gets to be named THE best player without actually stringing together a few seasons of actually being such. There is no doubt his consistency has him up there, but he has way more seasons being ONE of the best players in the league compared to actually being the undisputed. Are we just rounding up consistency overall and going off that?

Ovechkin was overall better the first 5 years of their careers outside of ‘07. Malkin had 3 stand out seasons with 2 having Crosby out of the lineup and 1 with him there. Injuries piled up, missing a lot of games through a few seasons, he then won his “crown” back in 2014, only to once again, although still near the top, play second best to guys like Kane, Price, and now McDavid.

Other Seasons that stand out as crucial to his over production and has a legitimate case for being THE best were 2011, 2013, and 2015. All shortened by injuries, all where he could have had accomplished more and cemented himself, but in the end those are only 3 years out of 10+ where he was right there but just doesn’t have much to show for it. He very likely would have walked away with the Hart and Art Ross in 2011 and 2013, I’m not sure if he beats out Price in 2015 for the Hart, but never the less, most likely a scoring title that year. Only ‘07, ‘14, and let’s say ‘11 where Crosby was widely considered the best, and for good reasons. But even then, that’s still only 2. We can’t just pretend he played the other 41 games and that Perry and Sedin didn’t have great years. It’s a lot of “what if’s” and people like to fill in that time with production that we can’t account for, which is extremely bias.

Basically, is his consistency really enough to declare him THE best overall?

 

[Bustedprospect]

love dats but i’d put crosby and malkin ahead

sedin?

stamkos was not on malkins level

crosby was better than OV in 12/13

remove mack

Sedins had violent peaks that made them Hall of Famers.

Sid could not match Henrik that year even with his brother out of the lineup. A case can be made for Ovi but he had peak 100+ Backs helping him out. But really if Daniel is healthy i dont this is a competition at all.

Daniel had a massive season especially for a left-winger. 113 adjusted points are numbers Sid only beat a few times in his whole career. Sids pace doesnt look sustainable that S% but also PP goals at 10 in half a season. A slump and some missed games could be enough to lose.

 

[mrv52]

I’m curious then how he gets to be named THE best player without actually stringing together a few seasons of actually being such. There is no doubt his consistency has him up there, but he has way more seasons being ONE of the best players in the league compared to actually being the undisputed. Are we just rounding up consistency overall and going off that?

Ovechkin was overall better the first 5 years of their careers outside of ‘07. Malkin had 3 stand out seasons with 2 having Crosby out of the lineup and 1 with him there. Injuries piled up, missing a lot of games through a few seasons, he then won his “crown” back in 2014, only to once again, although still near the top, play second best to guys like Kane, Price, and now McDavid.

Other Seasons that stand out as crucial to his over production and has a legitimate case for being THE best were 2011, 2013, and 2015. All shortened by injuries, all where he could have had accomplished more and cemented himself, but in the end those are only 3 years out of 10+ where he was right there but just doesn’t have much to show for it. He very likely would have walked away with the Hart and Art Ross in 2011 and 2013, I’m not sure if he beats out Price in 2015 for the Hart, but never the less, most likely a scoring title that year. Only ‘07, ‘14, and let’s say ‘11 where Crosby was widely considered the best, and for good reasons. But even then, that’s still only 2. We can’t just pretend he played the other 41 games and that Perry and Sedin didn’t have great years. It’s a lot of “what if’s” and people like to fill in that time with production that we can’t account for, which is extremely bias.

Basically, is his consistency really enough to declare him THE best overall?

Grace period. It's the only explanation.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Sedins had violent peaks that made them Hall of Famers.

Sid could not match Henrik that year even with his brother out of the lineup. A case can be made for Ovi but he had peak 100+ Backs helping him out. But really if Daniel is healthy i dont this is a competition at all.

Daniel had a massive season especially for a left-winger. 113 adjusted points are numbers Sid only beat a few times in his whole career. Sids pace doesnt look sustainable that S% but also PP goals at 10 in half a season. A slump and some missed games could be enough to lose.

Ovi and Henrik had a very close Hart race that year. I’m sure if Ovechkin would have played all 82 that year, it would have pushed him to the top spot.

Crosby was beating Stamkos by 10 and Daniel by 16 before getting injured. While Henrik and Daniel were tied. Give credit where it’s due for sure, but there is no telling how Crosby would have ended that season, but we do know that Sedins pace the next half of the season remained consistent for the most part and didn’t raise significantly at all.

 

[USAUSA1]

Ovi is the Kevin Durant of hockey. He has everything and is a better scorer but you can't really say he is better than Crosby(Lebron) with confidence. Crosby impact on a game and his team is more valuable.

 

[kmart]

It is arguable if you're still living in 2010.

nope, maybe u live in the past... this is reality in 2018

btw, still wating on crosbys pace to finialy catch ao after 14 years !

 

[Empoleon8771]

nope, maybe u live in the past... this is reality in 2018

btw, still wating on crosbys pace to finialy catch ao after 14 years !

Uh.....you're really going to bring up Stanley Cups in a Crosby vs Ovi discussion? Just want to be sure that's a route you want to go down. Like did you only become a hockey fan last season?

Basically, is his consistency really enough to declare him THE best overall?

Yes because there isn't anyone else clearly and consistently better than him.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Ovi is the Kevin Durant of hockey. He has everything and is a better scorer but you can't really say he is better than Crosby(Lebron) with confidence. Crosby impact on a game and his team is more valuable.

Ovechkin is going down as one, arguably the best goal scorer of all time. Has 3 Harts and just won a smythe helping his team to a stanley cup. It’s safe to say they have both been impactful regardless, but Crosby hasn’t been more in any way. Crosby can be a better player, but the gap isn’t as big as some like to proclaim.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Yes because there isn't anyone else clearly and consistently better than him.

There have been players clearly better than Crosby, including Ovi. Consistency is great, but don’t get it confused with overall dominance. Crosby has been in the running a majority of his career but still couldn’t be proclaimed as the best within the same time frame nearly as many times as people like to think.