How many teams will be lost?

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  1. silver_made*

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    how many teams (AND which?) will fold following the lockout?
     
  2. habitue*

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    None if a cap is implemented...

    Half a dozen if not !!!
     
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    None, the Owners will eventually get their cap. However, I doubt a franchise in Carolina will last much longer.
     
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    None without a cap, though the Penguins may have to relocate to Portland. and Carolina to Winnepeg.
     
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    No teams will fold, they will move. So far I think the number is 2 and they are Florida and Carolina
     
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    I'd like to see at least four teams disappear one way or another. Carolina, Anaheim, and Florida would be a good start. As for a fourth, I'm on the fence between Atlanta and Nashville. One question: how hard is it to fold a franchise in the NHL? Does anyone here know the details of what the bylaws require? A simple majority vote of the other owners? A buyout of some sort? If someone in NHL management finally decides to say "enough is enough, we need to contract", those owners on the potential hit list will start kicking and screaming. I can't remember the last time any team in the NHL, NBA, NFL or MLB simply folded, vanished completely, instead of moving or merging.
     
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    I don't think any will fold.....hopefully none will have to be relocated either, but IMO that is far more likely than any getting wiped out all together.
     
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    What about the teams that are losing money, but are currently spending less than Bettman's $34 million minimum team payroll?

    How can they survive even with the cap?
     
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    It's pretty simple. A cap would level the playing field.
     
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    Guys..c'on the lockout is going to last at least a year longer and possibly longer....there will be at least 2 or 3 teams gone(or moved) by the time the league even RESTARTS. I would say FL, Pens, and Canes.
     
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    Really? I guess it's settled then.
     
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    Any lockout of more than 18 months will take out 6-8 teams

    Who would run a business with ZERO revenues for a year and a half.

    Since all 30 teams want to be equal when a team goes under the other teams can pay the contracts. The owners DO want cost certainty right?
     
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    I don't see nhl owners wanting to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to pay other teams to contract.

    the last league that tried contracting teams was baseball and they ran into a legal and political buzzsaw from the players union,fans and pols in the proposed cities.
     
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    No teams will fold.

    The only teams that are losing money through this lockout are teams like the Leafs and the Rangers...that actually make money.

    But, oh wait...the pro-player types around here don't believe that. Owners are SUPPOSED to lose money. :shakehead
     
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    Better than running a business in the red for 10 years.
     
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    Zero, of course.
     
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    Three off the top of my head....

    Panthers, Hurricanes, and Mighty Ducks.
     
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    I never believed Major League Baseball had any intention of contracting. Since there are no more major markets for baseball to move to, the threat of contraction is the only weapon they have left to get new stadium deals. Contraction in baseball was all about new stadiums, or stadia, if you prefer.

    In the NHL why should any teams contract? It doesn't make sense in any way. No one is going to pay $80 million for a franchise fee and then say, oh well...Once the New NHL is up and running those struggling teams will suddenly have a new lease on life. The Thrashers and Predators will soon be competetive, and some one should put the 'Canes out of their misery and talk their pitiful owner into selling them. It would be sweet to see them in Canada, the Pens as well. Heck, maybe Winnepeg and Quebec? The Toronto area could probably support two teams!

    -HckyFght!
     
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    pens are one of the few teams that actually made money the last couple seasons, they have been planing for the lock out for a long time and are probably more prepared than most.
     
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    None, some owners may put the sale sign up and some more rich men will think an NHL team sounds like fun and a good investment once this CBA is done.
     
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    It always amazes me on these type threads how not one person has ever suggested that their team be the one that is folded or moved:shakehead
     
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    Well I would. But my team is the Canucks, and they are stayin' put! :D
     
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    ever heard about the 24% rollback ? :D
     
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