How Many Prospects Do The Flyers

[Pappy]

Have at the WJHC, it seems like every team has some, Carter, Richards, are locks to play in NHL, how many others also have a chance. It looks like a long row to hoe for the Leafs if they have to play them in the playoffs for years to come.

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[flip588]

They've got six prospects playing.

Canada - Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Rejean Beauchemin
Slovakia - Ladislav Scurko, Stefan Ruzicka
Switzerland - Kevin Romy

Carter, Richards and Ruzicka look like they'll all play in the NHL someday. Beauchemin could very well do the same. I don't know much about Scurko or Romy, but I hear Romy's stock is rising, much like some fellow Flyer prospects. A name often forgotten, and under-rated in my opinion, is Alexandre Picard out of Halifax.

 

[h2]

They've got six prospects playing.

Canada - Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Rejean Beauchemin
Slovakia - Ladislav Scurko, Stefan Ruzicka
Switzerland - Kevin Romy

Carter, Richards and Ruzicka look like they'll all play in the NHL someday. Beauchemin could very well do the same. I don't know much about Scurko or Romy, but I hear Romy's stock is rising, much like some fellow Flyer prospects. A name often forgotten, and under-rated in my opinion, is Alexandre Picard out of Halifax.

Add Colin Fraser to the list for Canada.

 

[Mess]

Add Colin Fraser to the list

Nope Sorry

Colin Fraser was traded away ... to Chicago in the deadline deal ..last season ..

Colin Fraser and Jim Vandermeer & 2nd were traded to Chicago for Alexei Zhamnov & 4th round pick..

 

[The Legend]

Richards and Carter are two prospects which fit the damn flyers mold so damn well.

Richards is an excellent two way player and leader, much like Bobby Clarke was, and Primeau is today. Carter is a big strong physical prescence much like LEclair is.


Don't worry Leaf faithful, we still have Mr. Steen to look forward to.

 

[Mess]

Richards and Carter are two prospects which fit the damn flyers mold so damn well.

Richards is an excellent two way player and leader, much like Bobby Clarke was, and Primeau is today. Carter is a big strong physical prescence much like LEclair is.


Don't worry Leaf faithful, we still have Mr. Steen to look forward to.

& Carter and Richards when they are ruled UFA as a result of no CBA and the season being cancelled .. not allowing the Flyers to sign them by the June 1st, 2005 deadline date for unsigned North American prospects from the 2003 draft.

 

[mooseOAK*]

Richards and Carter are two prospects which fit the damn flyers mold so damn well.

Richards is an excellent two way player and leader, much like Bobby Clarke was, and Primeau is today. Carter is a big strong physical prescence much like LEclair is.


Don't worry Leaf faithful, we still have Mr. Steen to look forward to.

Carter is actually quite slender, not big other than height.

 

[LaLaLaprise]

Carter is actually quite slender, not big other than height.

6'04 205

He can add 10 lbs by this time next year and by the tim ehe is 25 he could be up to 6'04 225

 

[mooseOAK*]

6'04 205

He can add 10 lbs by this time next year and by the tim ehe is 25 he could be up to 6'04 225

At the time he was drafted he was listed at 6-3, 182 lbs. I may be wrong but he doesn't look like a guy who has added 23 pounds to his body. And 43? Better call Balco.

 

[paxtang]

It's not out of this world for a guy who is 6'3"/4" to put on 20 pounds in two offseasons at that age.

 

[Reilly311]

Carter and Richards are the most overrated prospects.

 

[paxtang]

Carter and Richards are the most overrated prospects.

First time I heard YOU say that......

 

[FlyersGuy69]

They've got six prospects playing.

Canada - Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Rejean Beauchemin
Slovakia - Ladislav Scurko, Stefan Ruzicka
Switzerland - Kevin Romy

Carter, Richards and Ruzicka look like they'll all play in the NHL someday. Beauchemin could very well do the same. I don't know much about Scurko or Romy, but I hear Romy's stock is rising, much like some fellow Flyer prospects. A name often forgotten, and under-rated in my opinion, is Alexandre Picard out of Halifax.

also, a guy who is not playing in the Worlds who could be a real nice NHL player is Ryan Potulny.

 

[FearTheFlyers]

Carter and Richards are the most overrated prospects.

I've hear you say this many times, but you have never said why. You're just throwing out troll comments without anything to back them up.

 

[LaLaLaprise]

At the time he was drafted he was listed at 6-3, 182 lbs. I may be wrong but he doesn't look like a guy who has added 23 pounds to his body. And 43? Better call Balco.

He has a big frame. Adding 43 lbs from ages 17 to 25 on a frame that is 6'04 isnt that hard to do.

 

[hockeyfan125]

Carter and Richards are the most overrated prospects.

Yea, they sure showed it today.
Richards is a fierce, fierce forchecker, and has skill to boot. Jeff Carter looks like a dominant top line center in waiting.

 

[adurn]

& Carter and Richards when they are ruled UFA as a result of no CBA and the season being cancelled .. not allowing the Flyers to sign them by the June 1st, 2005 deadline date for unsigned North American prospects from the 2003 draft.

You really think the NHL is going to punish the Flyers for doing exactly what they wanted them to? The new CBA will more than likely have a lower rookie max, and the Flyers will probably sign both at that (~$800,000), not the old, higher rate ($1.15 million.)

Wouldn't that June 1st date also be a part of the old CBA as well? If they can't sign them because of no CBA, how can they still be subject to rules in the expired CBA?

 

[Mess]

You really think the NHL is going to punish the Flyers for doing exactly what they wanted them to? The new CBA will more than likely have a lower rookie max, and the Flyers will probably sign both at that (~$800,000), not the old, higher rate ($1.15 million.)

Wouldn't that June 1st date also be a part of the old CBA as well? If they can't sign them because of no CBA, how can they still be subject to rules in the expired CBA?

it works both ways .. If it was such a sure thing .. How come small market teams like Calgary, Florida, Anaheim ... rushed out and signed Phaneuf, Anthony Stewart, Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf only hours and minutes before the last CBA expired and the lockout was announced??

They are the teams that could use the rookie salary Cap lower figures more than Philly could ..NO ?? because of financial resources ..

and the second part of your question is really no different than NHL players .. If there is no NHL season then all the contracts of players like Pronger and Niedermayer and lots of others that have contracts ending JUNE 1st will all become UFA after that date with no chance for their teams to resign or renegotiate with them .. If the NHL stars can become UFA , I see no reason why unsigned prospects that are no even part of the NHLPA yet should get special treatment ..

I have never heard nor read what will happen with these kids as of yet one way or the other ....

 

[Legionnaire]

He has a big frame. Adding 43 lbs from ages 17 to 25 on a frame that is 6'04 isnt that hard to do.

Agree. There were comparisions to Thornton in his draft year, and I can see why; they have very similar body types. When Joe first came into the league he was quite lanky, now look at him.

 

[mooseOAK*]

Agree. There were comparisions to Thornton in his draft year, and I can see why; they have very similar body types. When Joe first came into the league he was quite lanky, now look at him.

Thornton was a physical force at that age, there is no comparison.

 

[paxtang]

Thornton was a physical force at that age, there is no comparison.

.....He was talking about body type.

 

[mooseOAK*]

.....He was talking about body type.

Thornton plays a lot bigger, which is what I was talking about.

 

[h2]

Nope Sorry

Colin Fraser was traded away ... to Chicago in the deadline deal ..last season ..

Colin Fraser and Jim Vandermeer & 2nd were traded to Chicago for Alexei Zhamnov & 4th round pick..

Ahhhhh, thanks for the correction.


Not a bad deal..

 

[CarlRacki]

it works both ways .. If it was such a sure thing .. How come small market teams like Calgary, Florida, Anaheim ... rushed out and signed Phaneuf, Anthony Stewart, Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf only hours and minutes before the last CBA expired and the lockout was announced??

They are the teams that could use the rookie salary Cap lower figures more than Philly could ..NO ?? because of financial resources ..

and the second part of your question is really no different than NHL players .. If there is no NHL season then all the contracts of players like Pronger and Niedermayer and lots of others that have contracts ending JUNE 1st will all become UFA after that date with no chance for their teams to resign or renegotiate with them .. If the NHL stars can become UFA , I see no reason why unsigned prospects that are no even part of the NHLPA yet should get special treatment ..

I have never heard nor read what will happen with these kids as of yet one way or the other ....

Won't happen. The powers that be in the NHL won't allow teams to lose their draft rights to players because of the lockout and it's certainly not an issue the PA will fight for. The PA is going to have enough problems winning battles for its members, much less spend much time and effort fighting for free agency for non-members.
However, what is possible, if not likely, is that the players drafted prior to the new CBA will be signed outside its structure, i.e. under the old rules.

 

[Mess]

Won't happen. The powers that be in the NHL won't allow teams to lose their draft rights to players because of the lockout and it's certainly not an issue the PA will fight for. The PA is going to have enough problems winning battles for its members, much less spend much time and effort fighting for free agency for non-members.

However, what is possible, if not likely, is that the players drafted prior to the new CBA will be signed outside its structure, i.e. under the old rules.

We are all guessing .. Why are people putting so much into unproven prospects when the big stars of the game will become UFA .. these few players are small potatoes as you say in the big sceme of things ..

I don't follow your last point .... Jeff Carter as announced on TSN a million times already would be in the Flyers lineup if there was a season ... So why as of the time of the lockout did the Flyers not sign Carter ..if the eventual outcome is same as old cba as you say .. Then why wait ??

and explain the panic in teams like Calgary to sign Phaneuf and Anaheim Getzlaf ??