Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by sebsisles, Jun 10, 2021.
35-40 to be in contention
50+ to actually win
Scott Stevens never won a Norris but PK Subban did... that tells you all you need to know about Norris voting
Wow, yep I'm wrong... I coulda swore he won, just nominated 2x
changed it to Subban, cuz it's almost as ridiculous
Pelech and Pulock would have to morph into one player because I think Pelech would need Pulock's offensive upside to get serious Norris consideration.
Rydam Pelock for Norris!
To be fair he did get really close. He was edged out by Chara in his big season
Its an award for the best overall defenseman. Not the best defensive defenseman.
I was just sure he was going to win that year, so much so that I changed history lol
That's what I said.
These conversations always end up slighting just how good some of the defensemen that ARE nominated are.
Adam Fox is a very good defensive player to go along with his point totals, and all analytics that I’ve seen back that up, outside of just watching him play.
Generating offence is part of being a good defenceman.
Suter played elite level defense while scoring close to 50 every year for a great number of years and was a only ever a finalist once I believe.
Give me 6 Adam Fox’s and I’ll show you a defense that would dummy 6 Pelech’s. Fox is everything Pelech is defensively while also being able to put up near PPG numbers
Last 2 years of him owning my Penguins has really shown me just how underappreciated he is league-wide.
This is the real dummy
I have a feeling that Makar and Fox are probably going to be dominating the Norris for the next decade, so not sure anyone would have a chance.
It would be real easy to generate offense with 6 Adam Pelechs back on D because you'd have the puck A LOT more.
A shit ton. And that’s a shame because he’s an excellent defenseman.
Norris Trophy is a points contest. That’s not to slag off the winners, very rarely do you see a “bad” defenseman win, but if you score a lot you are in the hunt. Shut down guys who do as much if not more for their team come playoff time? Not a chance.
Dobson (played a great series against Boston) has 7 points in PO’s so far. Pelech has 2. Who was by far a bigger impact on knocking Boston out? Pelech without any doubt at all.
we separate offense and defense for forwards into multiple awards
we should do the same for defenseman
the best overall forward usually wins the Hart. The Norris is basically the Hart for defenceman.
It is certainly a good looking result, but zero first place votes and only one second place vote on 170 ballots leave him way behind those who got higher vote totals than him.
I mean he's kinda bad offensively, fantastic defensively but he can't create offense. It's an award for all-around play and I know that offensive dmen get too much love when it comes to voting but guys like Lindell and Pelech should also get docked for being bad offensively if a voter is being complete objective.
dont tease me with these fantasies man, what a hockey player that would be!
Someone with photo-shop skills should try making this mythical unicorn of a defenseman.
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