How good was Fredrik Olausson?

ShelbyZ

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And I believe that among 500+ defensemen, only Jason Woolley (IIRC, it was Woolley) saw a similarly low amount of SHTOI.

I remember as a younger and less intuitive hockey fan, I was completely dumbfounded by Jason Woolley when the Red Wings brought him in. How could this guy that's consistently at/near/above .5 PPG get traded simply for future considerations?

Then I saw him play for the Red Wings and figured it out...
 
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Woolley in Buffalo fit well with the team's encouragement of dman pinching with the aggressive 2-forward forechecking and Hasek back in net eagerly awaiting odd-man rushes against, NOT wanting a defensive defenseman positioning himself between Hasek and the shooter.

Jeff Brown in Vancouver played equally horribly defensively, living and dying on his point production.
 
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I'm more impressed that you found an rare example of Housley seeing ice time shorthanded. Housley saw far less SHTOI than any other 1000+ game defenseman in history. And I believe that among 500+ defensemen, only Jason Woolley (IIRC, it was Woolley) saw a similarly low amount of SHTOI.

Uwe Krupp was in the box when he scored this one. So that helps.

His next two shorthanded goals that he contributed to in his career saw Moe Mantha and Randy Carlyle in the box as well, respectively...Lindy Ruff was in the box for his SHA in 1989...so he was pressed into duty...

EDIT: Oops, found two more SHG in Washington...Calle Johansson was in the box and in 1997, his first goal of the year was shorthanded with Joe Reekie in the box...

All d-men, predictably.


The only playoff run where Housley ended up a plus was in one of the highest scoring playoff series ever (I think) and one of the rare ones where the team with the most goals in the series lost...1995 Calgary is upset by San Jose in 7. Housley is a +5 in the series, but as usual, fails to escape the first round...
 
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and one of the rare ones where the team with the most goals in the series lost...

How rare is this? I'm asking because yesterday I happened upon the 1918 SCF (the first with an NHL team) and the Millionaires (21) scored more goals than the Arenas (18).
 
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The Soviets scored more goals than Canada in the 1972 Summit Series.

In fact, they used that stat to argue in their state media that they won the series. LOL.
 
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How rare is this? I'm asking because yesterday I happened upon the 1918 SCF (the first with an NHL team) and the Millionaires (21) scored more goals than the Arenas (18).

I don't think it's actually that rare. I think that on at least two occasions the 1999-2004 Leafs won a series in which they were outscored.

And in 1993 they were outscored by detroit in round 1, and outscored LA in round 2.
 

Kyle McMahon

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By 6 goals. Chicago in 2011 also outscored Vancouver by 6 goals in the first round. I wonder what the record is.

I suspect San Jose's -9 in their 1995 win over Calgary is the record. Interesting to note that the 2011 Canucks could have won the Cup with a -10 differential had they beaten the Bruins by one goal in Game 7.
 

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Olausson didn't play much for the national team, being over in North America so much. I see on his stats page he was a member of the infamous 2002 Olympic (Belarus failing) squad though, but I can't remember if he was a regular or not. Lidström, Öhlund, Jönsson & Norström were certainly in front of him, so I guess he had to compete for bottom pairing minutes with Kim Johnsson & Ragnarsson. He did have 2 penalty minutes in the tournament.

In Sweden a player like Anders Eldebrink is certainly more revered than Fredrik Olausson, despite the discrepancy in NHL games and Stanley Cup honors. Unless you're a standout player in the NHL people aren't going to be overly impressed. Tommy Albelin played 950+ NHL games and won a Stanley Cup (1995), but he was just a different type of defenseman than Olausson (defensive) (had no idea he played so many games for Calgary, by the way).
That is a bit strange since Olausson must have been a much better player. He was certainly good enough to be in the Canada Cup/World Cup team 1987, 1991 and 1996. Probably in the Olympics 1998 since Sweden didn't have a good right-shooting D-man back then.
 

sr edler

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That is a bit strange since Olausson must have been a much better player. He was certainly good enough to be in the Canada Cup/World Cup team 1987, 1991 and 1996. Probably in the Olympics 1998 since Sweden didn't have a good right-shooting D-man back then.

1991 Canada Cup had Calle Johansson, Nicklas Lidström, Tommy Albelin, Kjell and Ulf Samuelsson, Börje Salming and Peter Andersson. I didn't watch this tournament (as I was 9–10 years old and it took place overseas in a different time zone) but looking at the names I have to (kinda) assume that Peter Andersson was brought there as a 7th D because at the time he played with Björklöven in the Swedish II Division (although he had previously played 172 NHL games with the Capitals and the Nordiques). Strictly looking at games played though (without any context) Ulf Samuelsson was the odd man out (only playing 3 out of 6 games). It could have been that Andersson was still a highly thought of player despite playing at home in the II Divison.

1987 Canada Cup had Tomas Jonsson, Michael Thelvén, Albelin, Anders Eldebrink, Peter Andersson, Tommy Samuelsson (none of these Samuelsson players were related to each other) and Lars Karlsson. Olausson was in his sophomore year with the Jets when this tourney took place. Eldebrink, Andersson, Samuelsson and Karlsson all played back home in Sweden at this time.

1996 World Cup had Lidström, Albelin, Calle Johansson, Roger Johansson, Kenny Jönsson, Mattias Norström, Peter Popovic, Leif Rohlin. This one is especially damning for Olausson as there are 8 names there and one of those names is very unremarkable Leif Rohlin. Extra Ds on this team were K. Jönsson and Rohlin, both played 1 game each instead of R. Johansson and Popovic. R. Johansson played back home in Sweden at this point.

1998 Olympics had Lidström, C. Johansson, Albelin, Norström, Öhlund, Ragnarsson and Ulf Samuelsson (Ulf's American citizens can't represent Sweden cry me a river moment).

As you can see Albelin is consistently there, so he was always considered a more useful player than Olausson. As were other players, apparently. I don't think the Swedish national team had a philosophy where they brought with them game situation specialist (like a PP specialist, or a PK specialist, or a face-off specialist, or a pest, or a right-handed shot PP specialist, or whatever). I think if you were picked you were supposed to either play as a regular or not play at all. Crease specialist Tomas Holmström weren't originally picked for the 2006 team, for instance, but came on as a reserve (for Markus Näslund, who was a very different type of player).

I guess my conclusion is that Olausson weren't a very highly thought of player, in the grand scheme of things.
 

Jahara

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I did some googling and Olausson seems to have been injured in 1991. On the other hand he and Thomas Gradin played some pre-tournament games in 1987 but neither did end up in the Canada Cup that year. The roster from 1987 were missing several big names from the NHL, just like 1984 when Sweden managed to reach the final without several legends. Even in 1991 there were some good players that could have contributed a lot.

I suppose the Swedish style was favouring players with a better allround game over specialists like Olausson. Especially under the years with Tommy Sandlin and his style that was branded "sossehockey".
 

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now there's a name from the past

played 3 seperate stints with the ducks. aside from that, all i remember about him is that he was on that 02 wings team. he came back to the ducks the following year and played half the season and a playoff game for the ducks team that went all the way to the finals
 
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