How good is Larkin?

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  1. ArGarBarGar

    ArGarBarGar Defense Please

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    I think you are overstating the meaning of excellence with regards to players.

    Crosby/Matthews/McDavid are beyond excellent, in my opinion. They have all-worldly talent and demonstrate it.

    Larkin excels at a very high level in the NHL. So do a lot of players in the league.
     
  2. Sir Savage the 21st

    Sir Savage the 21st Oy Mate, you having a giggle?

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    Centers I consider better than Larkin today just off the top of my head

    Crosby
    Mcdavid (younger)
    Malkin
    Giroux
    Tavares
    Matthews (younger)
    Mackinnon
    Barzal (younger)
    Barkov
    Schiefele
    Eichel (Younger)
    Elias Petterson (Younger)
    Point
    Kuznetsov
    Backstrom

    And I’m sure I’m forgetting several others, plus left off players like Bergeron and Getzlaf due to age.

    Larkin is in the tier of players like
    Schenn, Draisetal, Courtier imo

    Granted a lot of players are getting older but there is an equal amount of talent coming in. By definition a number one center is a top 31 center in the league. Some teams have noje, some teams have 3. To be excellent, I think you need to at least be in the top half of the 31, and that is something I dont see Larkin ever maintaining for an extended portion of his career.

    Larkin is a #1 center, but the only true contender I see with one of his caliber or lower is Nashville, whose defense has 4 players better than the best Wings D.
     
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  3. EhlersChin

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    Hes definitely good enough to fall in behind AM34 and Eichel on the USA depth chart. Dylan will have to play wing for the National team if he wants any ice time and that's not up for debate.
     
  4. ArGarBarGar

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    Based on what?
     
  5. 93LEAFS

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    He's good. He's in that 20-31 range, but he could get into legit franchise center territory by the end of the year. He played extremely well last night.
     
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    Sir Savage the 21st Oy Mate, you having a giggle?

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    Based on the amount of young talent developing or showing promise in the league? Larkin is in his D+5 season. He’s not some super raw player anymore. Yes, he can and probably will improve, but I don’t think it will be by as much as people think. I just dont see the latent talent and also see a player who will be harmed by a loss of speed he’ll probably experience in his late 20s.

    If the Wings want to contend, and I mean truly contend as in a top 5 favorite for a span of 3-4 years, they still need one or two more game breaker. I think players like Dach or Hughes can be that game breaker.
     
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    Top 25 center maybe
     
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    I have him in the Ryan O'Reilly type of 1c so you ideally want him in a scenario where you also have a highend 2c.
     
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    Well ideally you have Crosby and Malkin as your top 6 centers. Only one team every like 30 years gets to do something that ridiculous though. We were spoiled in the past with Datsyuk and Zetterberg, but it's not like a low first round pick becoming only a first line center is a bad thing. It's very possible to win Cups without a super elite 1C. The Hawks did it three times with Toews. They surrounded him with a ton of talent and those teams were dominant. We can try and do the same with Veleno, Zadina, etc. coming up. We still need another big piece or two but you really couldn't have hoped for a better rebuild so far. Holland and friends absolutely crushed it at the last draft and finding Larkin with a late 1st.
     
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    Doesn't matter if people rate him as a top 30 center or not. What matters is, can you play him against top 10 centers in the league and get a good result? The answer to that question is being answered with a "yes" so far this season. And that is without any strong support from wingers/d-men. Without Hossa, Keith, Kane and Seabrook, Jonathan Toews never gets rated as a top 10 or even top 20 center in the league. Yeah Larkin will never be Sidney Crosby, but zero doubt in my eyes you can build a winning team with him as your #1C.
     
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    People are seriously underrating how valuable having a 1C who is as good in his own zone as he is in the other team's, is. The Kings won two cups this decade with a guy in that mold. Larkin has been that good this season. He gets the opposing teams' best lines every night and has a corsi and Fenwick of 54% without the benefit of top wingers or defensemen to play alongside him.

    The last 4 games, he's played against the Mackinnon/rantanen/Landeskog, Pastrnak/Marchand, Matthews, and Kucherov/Point lines. Combined, those lines put up 2 goals.

    If he had a winger more adept at putting the puck in the net playing with him, he'd have a lot more points right now, and his point total is pretty good already.
     
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  12. Kid Icarus

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    Like a horrible 1st liner, good 2nd liner.
     
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    Right now, as he's playing, he's a good 1C. He continues taking steps every single game and if he continues on this trend he's going to be Patrice Bergeron/Anze Kopitar 2.0 by the end of this season. Ecstatic to have this kid. Once gets a top flight scorer on his wing (Zadina, hopefully), it'll become clear how great he really is. His point totals are quite limited by his linemates - Nyquist is pretty good but not anything special. Not a surprise he's having a career year on Larkin's wing.
     
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    Horrible? hahah
     
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  16. Ezekial

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    He's the new Barkov. Soon you'll see how good he is.
     
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    Hes in the same tier as Horvat in the low end #1's but ideal #2s.
     
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    Some interesting stats for Larkin so far this year

    CF% rel - 10.7 (even strenght)
    FF% rel - 12.4 (even strenght)
    FO% - 55.7
    Takeaways - 35 (4th in the league)

    He has a very low oiSH% at 6.5%, which is bound to go up if Nyquist and Larkin continues to play with chemistery, despite this he's ranked 15th amongs centers in points. Last year he had 9% which is a pretty normal number.
     
  19. Kid Icarus

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    He can play defense, do dirty dangles, and have zero emotion and leadership?
     
  20. Ezekial

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    You don't know anything about Dylan Larkin, it's okay. Ignorance is only shameful if it's willful.
     
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    Larkin was an all-star @ 19 yrs old. That said, I see Larkin as a Patrice Bergeron level of career center... who is a #1.
     
  22. WingsMJN2965

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    Redo the draft today and he's #5, IMO.
     
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    I'd make the argument he'd go #3 behind Draisaitl and Pastrnak in a re-draft.
     
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    Point is probably taken ahead of him tbf.
     
  25. Ezekial

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    Yea, Point is a way "sexier" pick.


    Sorry for using that adjective, boys.
     
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