How do you rate the international tournaments?

[Bupi]

And I hate elitist **** like this. Seriously, how does it take anything away from you if people celebrate a win? The championship united people (well except you and those "soccer society" idiots) which is a good thing. I couldn't care less if they watch 1, 2, 10, 20 or 50 matches a season - they are no worse than me, you or anyone.

This is exactly what I hate about us Finns: we just have to find something to b**** and moan about regardless of the situation.

Sorry if I expressed myself wrong. I hate the tournament and the "respect" it has here. Would those same people watch the games and celebrate if the tournament would be played with same structure and same players and would be called Karjala-turnaus instead of World Championships? Doubt it.

Seriously... when you're world champion you beat the second and third bests in the world. Not that trash that participate these "World Championships".

 

[Random Oracle]

(2) WJC (best of the world's up-and-coming players against best of the world's up-and-coming players.)

How is it best-on-best if the best players are playing for their NHL clubs?

 

[Random Oracle]

Seriously... when you're world champion you beat the second and third bests in the world. Not that trash that participate these "World Championships".

I get where you're coming from, but when the "trash" Finland beat includes names like Ovechkin and Kovalchuk, your tirade is way over the top.

 

[TheMuumio]

Sorry if I expressed myself wrong. I hate the tournament and the "respect" it has here. Would those same people watch the games and celebrate if the tournament would be played with same structure and same players and would be called Karjala-turnaus instead of World Championships? Doubt it.

Seriously... when you're world champion you beat the second and third bests in the world. Not that trash that participate these "World Championships".

Ah ok, I misunderstood. But still I find it refreshing that people have reasons to be happy. There's not enough happiness in Finland and any stuff like this is good because it gives something to cheer for.
And even though it's not a best-on-best tournament it's good hockey nonetheless with teams like Russia almost running an olympic lineup.

 

[Fregus]

General:

Olympics
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WJC
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WC


But, what I want more than anything right now is a WJC-gold after defeating Canada in the final, taking place in Canada.

 

[Bupi]

I get where you're coming from, but when the "trash" Finland beat includes names like Ovechkin and Kovalchuk, your tirade is way over the top.

Please compare the rosters of teams Canada and Sweden with the ones they had in Olympics.

 

[Random Oracle]

Please compare the rosters of teams Canada and Sweden with the ones they had in Olympics.

Who are you trying to argue with using these strawman arguments? Obviously the world championships are not at the same level as the Olympics (Torino silver is still Finland's best achievement ever, imo), but that doesn't mean this tournament had just trash as participants.

 

[huntison]

Olympics
WJC

That's about it.

This. The other tournaments aren't even worth watching.

 

[Hans Moleman]

How do us Canadians stand watching the WJC when some teams don't release their players to participate? Just a B team tournament.

 

[Canuck21t]

How do us Canadians stand watching the WJC when some teams don't release their players to participate? Just a B team tournament.

The difference is nobody refuses to play at the WJC, whilst plenty say no to the WCh. Although a few players are absent, we do get most of our best players at the WJC. For the WCh, we're lucky if we get one of our best.

WJC = A- team
WCh = B or C team

and that's for all countries, not just us.

 

[EverybodyLovesRay]

I talked this with some of my Swedish friends and they were pretty clear that it was 1.Olympics 2. WHC 3. WJC (My opinion aswell)

But after the final game againts Finland (1-6! piece of cake ), it seems that they have all changed the top three to this 1. Olympics 2. WJC 3. WHC


Maybe it's the case here too, maybe not.

 

[Kuhta]

The difference is nobody refuses to play at the WJC, whilst plenty say no to the WCh. Although a few players are absent, we do get most of our best players at the WJC. For the WCh, we're lucky if we get one of our best.

WJC = A- team
WCh = B or C team

and that's for all countries, not just us.

Put Canadian WJC winning Team against Finnish WCh winning team and you´ll see which is closer to A-level hockey. WCh-team would crush juniors.

 

[Pellegrino]

Put Canadian WJC winning Team against Finnish WCh winning team and you´ll see which is closer to A-level hockey. WCh-team would crush juniors.

All the available players want to be a part of WJC though. That should tell you something about the prestige of the tournament.

Nobody doubts that the WC is higher level than WJC. However, that doesn't mean the tournament is more exciting. As I said in a previous post, WJC is a uniqe opportunity to watch many prospects for the very first time. With that perspective, it doesn't really matter if some juniors feature in NHL instead of WJC, as there are always plenty of opportunities to watch those when they play in NHL.

Besides, can't really see the point with stating that WC is higher level than WJC. KHL is higher level than all other european leagues, but that doesn't necessarily make KHL the most exciting league in Europe.

 

[Kuhta]

All the available players want to be a part of WJC though. That should tell you something about the prestige of the tournament.

Nobody doubts that the WC is higher level than WJC. However, that doesn't mean the tournament is more exciting. As I said in a previous post, WJC is a uniqe opportunity to watch many prospects for the very first time. With that perspective, it doesn't really matter if some juniors feature in NHL instead of WJC, as there are always plenty of opportunities to watch those when they play in NHL.

Besides, can't really see the point with stating that WC is higher level than WJC. KHL is higher level than all other european leagues, but that doesn't necessarily make KHL the most exciting league in Europe.

WJC is just a junior tournament. For me it was much more exciting to see Granlund to play against big boys than what it would have been in WJC.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

1. Olympics


That's it.

 

[Pellegrino]

WJC is just a junior tournament. For me it was much more exciting to see Granlund to play against big boys than what it would have been in WJC.

You'd had the chance to watch many more prospects than just Granlund though. Probably alot who you didn't already know.

 

[Duodenum]

1) Olympics
2) WJC

Don't watch any of the others.
HFBoards is how I found out that Russia beat Canada in the quarters and that Finland won it all in the WHC (wasn't expecting that! Congrats to Finland!).

 

[Kuhta]

You'd had the chance to watch many more prospects than just Granlund though. Probably alot who you didn't already know.

Well yeah I guess, but that is not enough to put it over WHC. I reckon it is a cultural thing.

 

[afrobomber11]

for me its:

olympics-wjc-world cup
wc
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u18

 

[RandV]

Put Canadian WJC winning Team against Finnish WCh winning team and you´ll see which is closer to A-level hockey. WCh-team would crush juniors.

I think he meant that Canada sends its A team to the WJC, but only it's B/C team to the WC. Not that they compare to each other in anyway.

 

[RandV]

For myself:
Olympics
World Championships

World Cup


NHL Playoffs



WJC

I wouldn't rank the World Cup as high as the World Championships because it's basically a North American rules tournament. Don't put a ton of stock into the world juniors & don't get why people here get so stocked about watching kids play anyhow.

Well consider that there's 6 NHL teams in Canada compared to 60 Major Junior teams. While the NHL teams are located in the biggest population center here, you'll find a CHL team in most small-mid sized cities across Canada giving it very good coverage.

 

[Rob]

Unfortunately the IIHF ranks the Olympics and the World Championships the same.

 

[Nekz]

Olympics.. and that's about it. If the WC didn't take place during the NHL playoffs I would consider them something, but I only watched them to see how the Ranger players faired. Could really care less who won/loss.

Olympics normally have the best of the best while the WC were simply players who aren't in the NHL playoffs or weren't injured/resting/cared. Should push it into the middle of summer.

 

[JackSlater]

Olympics
World Cup
World Junior
World Championship
U18

Best on best tournaments are automatically far ahead of all the others. The Olympics with NHLers is ahead of the World Cup because some players still turn down the World Cup. If the Olympics do not have NHLers the results are meaningless and it would be in last place. World Juniors over World Championships is mostly just personal preference, I find the games exciting and enjoy that more of the best available players go to that tournament. U18 has hardly any profile in Canada, and the teams we send are generally lacking most of the best players, so I don't really care about the results at all. I haven't seen enough of that tournament to properly rate it.

 

[Red]

Olympics
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WJC
World Cup
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World Championships
U-18