How can teams prevent situations like Marner & Laine?

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  1. Madap

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    I do understand what you're saying, but I'm just saying its not completely true. How many players have we seen demand trades because they don't like where their playing. Or free agents choose to take less money to go play back home or in a nicer city? It happens all the time. There are plenty of reasons why you would choose less money.

    A big one, is I think the Stanley Cup. Marner is still so young and he's got his whole career ahead of him, so he definitely hasn't even thought about retiring with no cup, but I bet if he does get there one day he will be extremely disappointed he didn't do more. He was very fortunate and came into an amazing situation with the leafs, and I hope he doesn't throw that away.
     
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    Why can't it be both?

    Players should definitely be getting their max value but at the same time I don't think they should get overpaid. They sure as hell should not be taking a paycut (for the sake of a cup) was my entire point.
     
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    I never said he only cares about money, who knows what he's thinking. All I know is he's in a position to get paid what he's worth and where he wants.
     
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    Dubas let this happen with the Nylander debacle and he’s set the precedent. He’s done a good job on most everything else but the Nylander and Matthews deals were not good value signings considering both were coming off entry level deals.

    Nylander was a ***** and was rewarded for it. Marner will not get the best offer until 1 hour before the deadline unfortunately. If I were willing to go through this, I’d sit tight too.

    If Dubas let Nylander sit for a year we wouldn’t be in this spot imo. Would never of happened with Lou.

    To answer the question the only way to stop it is to let a player sit. Make an honest and fair offer then sit back and wait for them to accept or sit.
     
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    I dunno, I'm all about getting one's value in a salary, and maybe I'd be different if the skates were on my feet...but when you're making millions per year, does an extra $1M really matter? Especially after taxes?

    I would look at other things, like that I'm playing for a prime organization, what marketing opportunities I would get, that I'm with friends and family, in my hometown, adored by fans, etc.

    If Marner is holding out for say $1M extra a year, that's pathetic IMO, and they can trade his greedy ass to Ottawa.

    That's why I don't care about physicality, concussions, injuries, etc. You wanna make the big bucks, pucker up and be ready to take the risks.
     
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    Let them walk. If they wanted to play hockey and be on a winning team then it wouldn't be about them. Marner unfortunately would be getting paid if the leafs didn't overpay multiple players.
    Laine is thinking he's worth more then he actually is.
     
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    Get GMs to ..... nah, it makes too much sense.

    How do teams prevent it? Talk early, try to strike a deal. If the player in question is asking for the sun, moon and stars, ... well, **** in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first. I wanted a whole slew of things when I was younger; I didn't get them, I settled for other stuff. Pro hockey players either need to learn the same lesson, or get comfy watching everyone else play for the next year.
     
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    Seeing all these posters whine and cry about dubas I hope he over pays Marner and everyone else follows suit and get over payed as well.
    Screw rest of the teams as well!
    Lol
     
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    Yep, Dubas should have made an example out of Nylander.

    If a guy doesn't want to accept your offer, let him sit. And then next year offer him a bit less because he didn't play in the NHL the previous season.
     
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    Get rid of elcs amd let teams lock in players at the draft for real money or gove rfas arbitration immediately post elc.

    It's that simple.
     
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    Considering hes been GM for exactly 1 season lol.

    What a dumb conparison
     
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    Hire a good GM like Doug Wilson :naughty::naughty:
     
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    What are players willing to give up to the owners to get this done?

    Gotta give something to get something.

    How about in exchange UFA contracts are no longer guaranteed?
     
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    You never know whats going on behind the scenes so it’s tough to say. GMs have most of the leverage over RFAs so they can wait them out to sign a fair deal. If you sit out you likely lose out on millions so is it worth it? If players are willing to sign a 7/8 year deal a slight over pay is fine. If they want to go strait to UFA respect that wish, but they gotta take a bit of a discount.
     
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    Maybe i it were possible to deal with that situation differently but I'm not sure it is, Matthews is the face of the franchise when you are dealing with that level of player you don't nickel and dime him you need to get that done
     
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    Lower the max contract price tag next CBA.


    If the money is the same for the collective players, and it's voted on by the whole union, it would be more universally liked because these non-superstar players being priced out of the league would get a bigger piece of the pie.
     
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    they could kill them
     
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    Honestly I think it was Nylander that set up the Marner situation for Toronto.
    Rather than signing him in the season, especially while things were going good, should have traded him off to show all your other RFAs that you were willing to play hardball.
     
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    I would do the reverse, and lower the UFA/RFA years. Raise the max contract, limit it to 5 years, allow players to walk earlier.
     
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    Yep.

    Young players have been getting screwed literally the entire history of the league.

    Not anymore
     
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    Good one. Lol.
     
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    By building their teams properly. The Leafs didn't need John Tavares.
     
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    They can't prevent it, until they re-negotiate the CBA, but for now, they can't. Players and agents know there's a new CBA on the horizon. They know there's a new TV deal coming and more expansion coming. Why would they want to sign for 7-8 years and not be a UFA until past their prime, particularly if there is potentially a bigger pot of money down the road.

    Signing for 5 years like Larkin, Matthews and Aho did (as well as Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Kane, Toews after their ELCs), makes too much sense for the player and already gives the team 8 years of control over a player.
     
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    go back to the old CBA
     

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