How about this suggestion? - relegation system+no draft lottery
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Artorius Horus T
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Obviously the AHL Calder Cup champion gets promoted to the NHL
- that team is free (without restrictions) to sign free-agent players+trade players
(AHL contract players)
- that team is free (without restrictions) to sign free-agent players+trade players
(AHL contract players)
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Oddbob
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Would never work, EVER! Many of the teams in the AHL are in extremely small markets, that both can't sustain an NHL team, and don't even have NHL size arenas. Also, how on earth would the salary structure work, when you are paying millions of dollars in the NHL and much much less in the AHL. relegation works in Europe but most of those leagues, the salaries don't go as high as the NHL.
Also, free agents would never sign in the small market cities that comprise the AHL. Small market NHL teams, have a hard enough time attracting the top free agents as is. All this would ensure is that anytime the AHL team(s) came up to the NHL, they would get completely and utterly demolished and demoted the following year, and the NHL team that got demoted the year before, would tear apart the AHL and come back up the very next year. The talent level between the two leagues is immense!
Also, free agents would never sign in the small market cities that comprise the AHL. Small market NHL teams, have a hard enough time attracting the top free agents as is. All this would ensure is that anytime the AHL team(s) came up to the NHL, they would get completely and utterly demolished and demoted the following year, and the NHL team that got demoted the year before, would tear apart the AHL and come back up the very next year. The talent level between the two leagues is immense!
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So then what if Stockton gets promoted to the NHL, and Ottawa gets relegated?
- Who moves to the East?
- Since Stockton is Calgary's farm team, does Calgary get to play against their own farm team?
- Can Calgary "call up" Stockton's star player the day before they play each other to weaken the opposition?
- Since there's a cap floor, how is the team promoted supposed to get to the cap floor?
This is another attempt to "fix" the draft lottery, which isn't broken. With minimal thought put into the long term ramifications.
- Who moves to the East?
- Since Stockton is Calgary's farm team, does Calgary get to play against their own farm team?
- Can Calgary "call up" Stockton's star player the day before they play each other to weaken the opposition?
- Since there's a cap floor, how is the team promoted supposed to get to the cap floor?
This is another attempt to "fix" the draft lottery, which isn't broken. With minimal thought put into the long term ramifications.
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It wouldn’t work but it’s a nice idea. I’d love to see Oilers relegated. Quebec City, Come on up! Makes no practical sense but it’d be cool.
Makes 0 sense considering AHL teams are used as farm teams for NHL teams. Also even the best AHL team would get crushed in the NHL, look at who the top scorers are in the AHL, most years they're guys who couldn't even crack an NHL 4th line.
North Cole
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It would be awesome, destroy the league in about 5 years. Weird that you pick the Oilers, but to each their own.
The biggest loser is whoever has their farm team come up. They either become way over the cap because those players have NHL contracts with them...or the other team gets it's own cap and becomes it's own organization for the year they stay in the NHL. So the parent of the AHL affiliate has no minor team to call players up from. Either way, they're f***ed. Basically, which ever team has the best farm system, gets their Organization destroyed.
Though I suppose the team moving down loses all of their non-two-way contracts to waivers, so they're f***ed too. Imagine the parity. Every year, two franchises are ruined
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You can't just establish a relegation system. The leagues have to be built for it.
Soccer pyramids are designed so that the bottom of tier 1 is fairly close to the top of tier 2, so that tier 2 teams can feasibly come up and survive.
No AHL team as it stands is ever going to survive an NHL season and the NHL teams would just come right back up. It would yo-yo like that for years and years.
It would take a long time to start working and you'd have to completely change the NHL. The cap and floor are gone, conferences are gone, and affiliation can't be a thing -- farm teams are gone.
Soccer pyramids are designed so that the bottom of tier 1 is fairly close to the top of tier 2, so that tier 2 teams can feasibly come up and survive.
No AHL team as it stands is ever going to survive an NHL season and the NHL teams would just come right back up. It would yo-yo like that for years and years.
It would take a long time to start working and you'd have to completely change the NHL. The cap and floor are gone, conferences are gone, and affiliation can't be a thing -- farm teams are gone.
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and it would be even worse financially,AHL arenas typically seat somewhere around a third as many people as NHL ones do,AHL teams are often in markets that are flat out incapable of supporting an NHL team,there's a lot of money in television deals that regional sports networks have with NHL teams etc
if a relegation system were implemented it would literally cause the league to shut down
Totally oblivious to the real world.
If you want to trim NHL cities down to 16, it could potentially work, with the other 15 down to AHL.
But good luck getting 15 owners to agree to it, you can probably find one, he owns the Ottawa Senators.
But good luck getting 15 owners to agree to it, you can probably find one, he owns the Ottawa Senators.
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I love the relegation systems in Europe but obviously there is a zero percent chance it will ever be applied in any major NA sports league.
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egelband
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Oilers were just an example of a team that’s kind of spinning it’s wheels. I didn’t give it much thought. I agree. There are worse teams for sure.
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Not practical. In a perfect world where every market and every rink is the same size, it would be a fun idea
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Wouldn't work for reasons others have stated.
Fiscally I wouldn't worry too much, the bigger concern is the farm team system and skill disparity. I wish there were an easy fix, but there isn't.
Fiscally I wouldn't worry too much, the bigger concern is the farm team system and skill disparity. I wish there were an easy fix, but there isn't.
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So, the winner of the 2018 AHL Calder Cup (Toronto Marlies) moves to the NHL. But, does the Toronto Maple Leafs still get to keep those players since the Maple Leafs are the ones that signed them to contracts? And if not, what does the Maple Leafs do for a minor league affiliate to develop their younger players? And what happens to the team that moves to the AHL? Do all of those players get their salaries slashed because now they are now in the AHL?
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Because the US/Canada population is big enough to support 30+ teams of very similar strength.
Would make no sense to promote AHL farm teams. In European soccer leagues, B teams can't play in the same league has their mother team. New teams would have to be created.
Let's say we create 9 new teams and split them all in two leagues of 20: NHL 1 and NHL 2.
But why? There is too much parity to justify that. When season starts, the team people think will finish 21st may end up winning the cup. Unlikely but not impossible, just last year Vegas made it to the finals. That never, NEVER, happens in European soccer. The best team of league 2 would have 0% chances of winning if competing in league 1. Worst, most teams in league 1 have no chance to win league 1.
Relegation system makes sense in European soccer leagues because it's small countries leagues and they can't support 20-30 teams of similar strength. The difference between the top teams and the rest is huge, very huge.
Getafe, a 180,000 people suburb of Madrid, competes against... Madrid, population 3,000,000. Getafe often has a pretty good team, they are fifth in the Liga has I'm writing this. But, spoiler alert: Getafe will never, NEVER, win the Liga. Never.
Relegation is really just there to give small teams something to compete for.
And that system has it's charm but, is it really fun that fans of most teams know when season starts their team has no chance to win the league? Imagine that. Being the fan of a team you know will never, never, win the cup. Think about it. And if you are from a big city with a strong team, is it really fun to know in advance you will win almost all games?
To me, that's boring.
It's the other way around: European soccer should copy the north american system and create a continental league so the teams too strong for their country leagues can have real competition.
And if some day such league is created, I don't think they would use a relegation system to have access to it. You don't kick out say Real Madrid because of one bad season just to have a Cinderella story from a small town going up to get his ass kicked.
Butch 19
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How about all relegation stays in Europe?
Well, obviously the largest problem is that all AHL teams are minor league affiliates of NHL teams. You can’t have two teams in one league under common ownership. Even if you do resolve that and make them all independent, you think it’d be a good idea to relegate an Ottawa and promote the Charlotte Checkers? The Bakersfield Comdors? That’s ridiculous.
American sports aren’t soccer, and people need to quit trying to think of ways to further punish fans of terrible teams. They suffer enough.
American sports aren’t soccer, and people need to quit trying to think of ways to further punish fans of terrible teams. They suffer enough.
North Cole
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Oh we're hot garbage, just thought it was funny you picked us. It's definitely one way for McDavid to get off the team since he wont clear waivers Haha.
