How a 321 point system would look for player scoring

[Orfieus]

edit:

Since my thread was moved and I figured everything out I decided to edit my original post.

Just for fun I wanted to see how the top 50 scorers would look if the point system was 3pts for a goal, 2pts for 1st assist, 1pt for 2nd assist

edit x2: updated chart to include the difference in points and PPG, http://i.imgur.com/mZMHtEl.jpg

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[KlefDown]

That's some mad analysis right there.

 

[dubey]

That's some mad analysis right there.

The absolute madman!

 

[Gains]

http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2017_skaters.html

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Edit: nvm, no secondary assist there.

 

[Orfieus]

http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2017_skaters.html

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Thanks but it doesn't show 1st assist. However, I think I just found it

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...aters&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

 

[illpucks]

Ovechkin would be a God if that system was implemented. If in the future that system is implemented, people will calculate how many adjusted Ross's Ovi has.

 

[Orfieus]

Ovechkin would be a God if that system was implemented. If in the future that system is implemented, people will calculate how many adjusted Ross's Ovi has.

lol. In 2015-2016 Ovi got 20 assists and 5 are 1st assists (he only got 70pts total) but his goals shoot him right up

 

[Plural]

Are you going to do a spreadsheet for us?

 

[illpucks]

lol. In 2015-2016 Ovi got 20 assists and 5 are 1st assists (he only got 70pts total) but his goals shoot him right up

175 points

 

[Plural]

175 points

Season before he got 28 assists and 21 of them were primary.

 

[Orfieus]

Are you going to do a spreadsheet for us?

it is pretty easy, just copy from the link I provided goto Google Docs, create a spreadsheet and paste. There, you have a spreadsheet of all the values sorted

 

[Orfieus]

175 points

Yep, Ovi would go from 17th in points to 5th


1 KANE, PATRICK 237
2 BENN, JAMIE 197
3 CROSBY, SIDNEY 186
10 PAVELSKI, JOE 179
17 OVECHKIN, ALEX 175


The numbers on the left show their rank in the normal point system, the numbers on the right show the 321 point system

 

[authentic]

I think a 2-1.5-1 system would make more sense if you are going to attempt to adjust them without it seeming like a complete joke. The average goal is most certainly not twice as valuable or twice as hard to come by as the average primary assist, infact I would argue that a 2-1.5 ratio is still downplaying the primary assist compared to a goal.

 

[Plural]

I think a 2-1.5-1 system would make more sense if you are going to attempt to adjust them without it seeming like a complete joke. The average goal is most certainly not twice as valuable or twice as hard to come by as the average primary assist, infact I would argue that a 2-1.5 ratio is still downplaying the primary assist compared to a goal.

Huh? 3-2-1 doesn't make the goal twice as valuable as primary assist.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I feel like 3, 2, and 1 are arbitrary. In order for that to be a good way of measuring a goal has to be equal to 1.5 primary assists and 3 secondary assists, 1 primary assist needs to equal 2 secondary assists. I feel like the weights need to have some significance.

 

[Orfieus]

http://i.imgur.com/hWA8iZw.jpg


Ok, here is using the top 50 ranked people. Since I didn't use the entire league there is a chance the ranks are off but I was only doing this for fun.

It really does change the rankings.

edit: It would be a huge help to me if you can comment on the size of the picture. I am using a 4k monitor so I had to change the resolution so please tell me if the chart is really massive on your screen (also if you know what resolution your monitor is would also help)

 

[rintinw]

Top 10 in 321P since 2007-08 season:
- Ovechkin (2007-08) 278/82
- Malkin (2011-12) 255/75
- Ovechkin (2008-09) 254/79
- Crosby (2009-10) 247/80
- Ovechkin (2009-10) 246/72
- Stamkos (2011-12) 242/82
- P.Kane (2015-16) 239/82
- Malkin (2007-08) 238/82
- Malkin (2008-09) 230/82
- Perry (2010-11) 227/82

Top 10 in 321P/Gm since 2007-08 season:
- Crosby (2010-11) 150/41 = 3.66
- Ovechkin (2009-10) 246/72 = 3.42
- Malkin (2011-12) 255/75 = 3.40
- Ovechkin (2007-08) 278/82 = 3.39
- Ovechkin (2008-09) 254/79 = 3.22
- Crosby (2012-13) 114/36 = 3.17
- Crosby (2009-10) 247/80 = 3.09
- Stamkos (2011-12) 242/82 = 2.95
- P.Kane (2015-16) 239/82 = 2.91
- Malkin (2007-08) 238/82 = 2.90

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Looking at the OP it was crazy for me to see Tavares had 31 primary assists and just 6 secondary assists.

 

[Orfieus]

Looking at the OP it was crazy for me to see Tavares had 31 primary assists and just 6 secondary assists.

He is in a 3 way tie for 15th last year with the new point system would move him up to a 4 way tie for 7th

 

[PhilJets]

Yep, Ovi would go from 17th in points to 5th


1 KANE, PATRICK 237
2 BENN, JAMIE 197
3 CROSBY, SIDNEY 186
10 PAVELSKI, JOE 179
17 OVECHKIN, ALEX 175


The numbers on the left show their rank in the normal point system, the numbers on the right show the 321 point system

What's interesting about this is. How Gretzky normal season points total rack up against these 321 system.

 

[Edmonton East]

It will never happen, but I always thought a 2, 1.5, 1 was the fairest way to go (or a proportional variation).

 

[Reddawg]

Without even looking I figured Karlsson would be the secondary assist king. He gets those in buckets.

 

[The Panther]

What's interesting about this is. How Gretzky normal season points total rack up against these 321 system.

1979-80: 153+120+26 = 299
1980-81: 165+138+40 = 343
1981-82: 276+182+29 = 487
1982-83: 213+190+30 = 433
1983-84: 261+182+28 = 471 [he missed 6 games]
1984-85: 219+202+34 = 455
1985-86: 165+218+53 = 436
1986-87: 186+184+29 = 399

 

[Cloned]

1979-80: 153+120+26 = 299
1980-81: 165+138+40 = 343
1981-82: 276+182+29 = 487
1982-83: 213+190+30 = 433
1983-84: 261+182+28 = 471 [he missed 6 games]
1984-85: 219+202+34 = 455
1985-86: 165+218+53 = 436
1986-87: 186+184+29 = 399

lol.

 

[ujju2]

Shows how our point system affects our perception of players. If this were the point system, Ovi would probably be regarded as the best player in the league consistently. I'm not complaining (although I am an Ovi fan), but just pointing it out. That would be quite the paradigm shift.