Value of: Hornqvist for a cheaper bottom-6 player

[Empoleon8771]

JR has said multiple times that he wants to make the team younger and faster, and he said yesterday that he wants to clear more cap space to be active in free agency. Hornqvist makes the most sense to move to me, but I don't think they can move his contract without taking back some money. I could see a scenario where the Penguins take a worse player (probably a decent bottom-6er) back that makes between $2.5 and $3.5 million, and they use their saved cap space to be active in free agency.

What kind of bottom-6 forward do you think the Penguins can get for Hornqvist?

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[De Montreal]

I think for an overpaid middle six forward you could get a slightly less overpaid bottom six forward

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think for an overpaid middle six forward you could get a slightly less overpaid bottom six forward

How much do you think Hornqvist would be going for in free agency? Even if it's less, I can't see it being much below $5 million. Maybe $4.75 million?

Even if he is overpaid, which I don't really think he is, it's not by much. You're probably not getting a Hornqvist caliber guy in free agency for less than $5 million.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Can’t imagine many teams being interested unless another somewhat undesirable contract is headed back. Could be done though.

 

[57special]

Not an easy trade to make during Covid.

 

[CupInSIX]

Hornqvist for Kassian? Byron?

How about: Mojo + Montour for McCann & Hornqvist.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Can’t imagine many teams being interested unless another somewhat undesirable contract is headed back. Could be done though.

Depends on what you mean by "undesirable". Does that fall in a category more with say Jay Beagle (very overpaid and coming off a bad year) or Matt Calvert (somewhat pricey but still a solid player)?

I think the Penguins could do something like Hornqvist for a Roussel type of player (decent bottom-6 winger who makes a good amount of money), and I wouldn't call Roussel's contract "undesirable".

Hornqvist for Kassian?

Yeah, something like this is what I was thinking of. Not sure Kassian would be a great fit though, but he does fit the idea.

Hornqvist for Kassian does make some sense if Edmonton can make that extra $2.1 million work. The Penguins have Hornqvist in a bottom-6 role and the Oilers have Kassian in a top-6 role, while both players are more suited for the other role.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Depends on what you mean by "undesirable". Does that fall in a category more with say Jay Beagle (very overpaid and coming off a bad year) or Matt Calvert (somewhat pricey but still a solid player)?

I think the Penguins could do something like Hornqvist for a Roussel type of player (decent bottom-6 winger who makes a good amount of money), and I wouldn't call Roussel's contract "undesirable".

A contract that’s just undesirable. Not Louis eriksson bad. But your looking at losing the trade player wise while taking back a good sized cap hit.
So think about a beagle, rousel types. Decent players but guys you don’t want for $3 million

 

[Laus723]

I love to hate Hornqvist, he’s a total pain in the ass. Checks, always in front of the net, gets under the opposition’s skin...not sure they’d do it, but what about a swap for Connolly at 3.5? Same term, honestly better output this last season than Horny, but the Panthers need guy who’ll go to the dirty areas and who will stir things up.

any interest in Matheson? Some way to work around that contract. Matheson and Connolly for Horny and?? (I’m sure I know the answer, just throwing out there)

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

I'd prefer to death metal growl with Hornqvist then trade Hornqvist.

 

[Empoleon8771]

A contract that’s just undesirable. Not Louis eriksson bad. But your looking at losing the trade player wise while taking back a good sized cap hit.
So think about a beagle, rousel types. Decent players but guys you don’t want for $3 million

Okay we're on the same page then, I just don't think Beagle falls in that category.

I think the Hornqvist trade would be something like Hornqvist for Kassian or Hornqvist for Roussel, it's getting a more appropriately paid 3rd liner on a similar quality of contract to Hornqvist (in terms of overpaid/underpaid and term). I don't really consider those contracts that "undesirable".

I love to hate Hornqvist, he’s a total pain in the ass. Checks, always in front of the net, gets under the opposition’s skin...not sure they’d do it, but what about a swap for Connolly at 3.5? Same term, honestly better output this last season than Horny, but the Panthers need guy who’ll go to the dirty areas and who will stir things up.

any interest in Matheson? Some way to work around that contract. Matheson and Connolly for Horny and?? (I’m sure I know the answer, just throwing out there)

I think Connolly for Hornqvist would work but Matheson wouldn't.

 

[Laus723]

I think Connolly for Hornqvist would work but Matheson wouldn't.

Cool. I think he’d give the team some of the bite that they need.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Cool. I think he’d give the team some of the bite that they need.

Horny would be a Quennville favorite no doubt

 

[The Old Master]

How much do you think Hornqvist would be going for in free agency? Even if it's less, I can't see it being much below $5 million. Maybe $4.75 million?

Even if he is overpaid, which I don't really think he is, it's not by much. You're probably not getting a Hornqvist caliber guy in free agency for less than $5 million.

pluss the fact that he could be flipped at the deadline for a much higher return

 

[spockBokk]

Not that much cheaper but one less year of term...Niederreiter?

 

[LakeLivin]

Can I interest you in a resurgent Jake Gardiner? Same term, $1.3m in savings per to go towards a replacement, and we can talk about sweeteners to even things out.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Tough to move Horny. He's 33 years old, 3 years remaining and a NTC.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Hornqvist for Abdelkader. Same term but Pittsburgh saves 1M in cap.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Wood for Hornqvist?

 

[Forge]

Wood for Hornqvist?

Feel like maybe I'd rather keep wood? And I don't even like miles wood. I just feel like this is a nominal upgrade in production for a lot more money and more term

 

[Empoleon8771]

Hornqvist for Abdelkader. Same term but Pittsburgh saves 1M in cap.

That is heinously bad. How do you think that's fair? Albelkader has one of the worst contracts in hockey and is completely done as an effective NHLer. Hornqvist is still an effective middle-6 player.

Wood for Hornqvist?

This one seems like something JR would do IMO. I feel like New Jersey probably wouldn't, though.

Feel like maybe I'd rather keep wood? And I don't even like miles wood. I just feel like this is a nominal upgrade in production for a lot more money and more term

It's more than a nominal upgrade from Wood to Hornqvist IMO, the problem is Hornqvist is much older and it's not like New Jersey is a win-now team.

 

[FameFlame069]

How about Horn for Ryan*? Gives Pitts a nice 3C/4C? Gives Flames a middle 6 RW

 

[Empoleon8771]

How about Horn for Rask? Gives Pitts a nice 3C/4C? Gives Flames a middle 6 RW

Do you mean Ryan? I could see the Penguins doing Hornqvist for Derek Ryan, but not Rask.

 

[FameFlame069]

Do you mean Ryan? I could see the Penguins doing Hornqvist for Derek Ryan, but not Rask.

Yes you're correct, idk why it autocorrected to Rask, but i swear i wrote Ryan lol yes Derek Ryan. My apologies for the mistake

 

[Springfield Isotopes]

Hörnqvist plus plus for Tyson Jost