Honest opinion on these prospects..

[Debrincat93]

i want:
player: line potential / pts he should get on average / when hes nhl ready
*goalies record like how many wins he could get

thank you in advance:

Igor Grigorenko
Jiri Hudler
Valterri Filpulla
Evan McGrath
Stefan Liv
Kyle Quincey
Sean Bergenheim
Dustin Brown
Alexander Picard (CBJ)
Konstantin Pushkaryev
Konstantin Korneyev
Tobias Enstrom
Daivid Booth
Loui Eriksson
Marc-Antoine Pouliot
Marc-Andre Fleury
Niklas Kronwall
Anton Babchuk
Brent Seabrook
Roman Voloshenko
Lukas Kaspar
Mikhail Grabovsky
Aki Seitsonen
Brad Fast
Darryl Bootland
Johan Franzen

thanks a ton!!

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[King'sPawn]

thanks to the nice 160 ppl who could have helped me out a little

I've only seen Brown play enough games where I can form an opinion on him.

He's a very safe prospect, which is what Dave Taylor knew he was getting. He really could go anywhere from 1st line to 4th line, because he's willing to play a physical game when need be. So even if he doesn't develop well enough to score at the NHL level, he will at least be able to play a physical game to keep the other team honest.

He'll likely make the Kings starting line-up when the season restarts, unless he bombs training camp. However, he made it last season, so there's no reason to think he won't be able to do it again.

On average, I'd venture a guess he'd be good for around 60-70 points. Next season I'd be happy if he made 15-20.

He scored a goal in one of his first games, but it was disallowed on a bad call. He got injured a couple weeks after. He came back and reinjured it again. When he was finally healthy, his first and only NHL goal was scored against the Avalanche by holding off Adam Foote long enough to receive a pass in the slot for him to deflect into the net... so look for him to develop a powerforward type game as he progresses in his career.

 

[MHA]

i want:
player: line potential / pts he should get on average / when hes nhl ready
*goalies record like how many wins he could get

thank you in advance:

Igor Grigorenko
Jiri Hudler
Valterri Filpulla
Evan McGrath
Stefan Liv
Kyle Quincey
Sean Bergenheim
Dustin Brown
Alexander Picard (CBJ)
Konstantin Pushkaryev
Konstantin Korneyev
Tobias Enstrom
Daivid Booth
Loui Eriksson
Marc-Antoine Pouliot
Marc-Andre Fleury
Niklas Kronwall
Anton Babchuk
Brent Seabrook
Roman Voloshenko
Lukas Kaspar
Mikhail Grabovsky
Aki Seitsonen
Brad Fast
Darryl Bootland
Johan Franzen

thanks a ton!!

I'm not a big fan of Bootland and Seabrook. Kronwall will be a very good defenseman, Girgorenko may be a star

 

[McDonald19]

i want:
player: line potential / pts he should get on average / when hes nhl ready
*goalies record like how many wins he could get


Lukas Kaspar


thanks a ton!!

Saw Kaspar at the Pacific Division Rookie Tournament last September and on TV in the WJCS.

He has speed size and talent. I think the Sharks will bring him along slowly as he is pretty inconsistent and needs work in a lot of areas.

2nd line potential/25-25-50/1 more year of juniors then 2 years of AHL

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Igor Grigorenko - top line, All-Star potential
Jiri Hudler - 1st line talent, size will limit him to 2nd line, IMO
Valterri Filpulla - 2nd liner
Evan McGrath - still worries me a bit, 2nd or 3rd liner
Stefan Liv - good back-up
Kyle Quincey - know nothing here
Sean Bergenheim - seems very similar to Lauri Korpikoski
Dustin Brown - Dave Andreychuk with better skating
Alexander Picard (CBJ) - 3rd liner
Konstantin Pushkaryev - could be a superstar or a bust, sky-high risk
Konstantin Korneyev - who?
Tobias Enstrom - ???
Daivid Booth - 2nd or 3rd line PF potential, big risk
Loui Eriksson - 3rd line two-way player, classic Finnish defensive forward.
Marc-Antoine Pouliot - good 2nd liner with aq Rob Niedermayer type career, but more offensive and less versatile.
Marc-Andre Fleury - risk... could be DiPietro no. 2.
Niklas Kronwall - maybe a Kimmo Timonen type.
Anton Babchuk - no. 2 or 3 stay-at-home d-man
Brent Seabrook - no. 2 d-man
Roman Voloshenko - risky, skating has greatly improved, 2nd line potential.
Lukas Kaspar - well-rounded 2nd liner with finishing prowess.
Mikhail Grabovsky - did well in the Super League, all I know.
Aki Seitsonen - I'd rate him an HF 6.
Brad Fast - don't know much
Darryl Bootland - same
Johan Franzen - top 4 offensive d-man

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Take my opinion how you will, sorry I mixed up two countries right next to each other. And it doesn't matter, 'cause Swedish forwards are often defensively sound also. I think it's a little ridiculous to do what you just did though.

 

[Bender]

Marc-Andre Fleury - risk... could be DiPietro no. 2.

I think that would be pretty good. DiPietro is turning into one hell of a goaltender.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Exactly, don't mean that in a bad way... Fleury is phenomenal and shows promise, but he's had a tough time developing.

 

[HFNHL Canadiens]

Max Potential​

Igor Grigorenko - 1st line forward - 70 + pts a year
Jiri Hudler - 2nd liner (on detroit) - 50 - 70 pts a year
Valterri Filpulla - 2nd liner- 40 - 50pts a year
Evan McGrath - 2nd liner - 40 - 50 pts a year
Stefan Liv - Journey man starter - 25 wins a year
Kyle Quincey - top 4 defensemen - 20 - 30 pts a year
Sean Bergenheim - 3rd line energy player - 20 - 30 pts a year
Dustin Brown - 2nd liner - 40-50 pts a year
Alexander Picard (CBJ) - 3rd liner - 25 - 35 pts a year
Konstantin Pushkaryev - 1st line forward - 60-70 pts a year
Konstantin Korneyev - 5th-6th dmen - 15-20 pts a year
Tobias Enstrom - Power Play QB - 40+pts a year
Daivid Booth - ???
Loui Eriksson- 2nd - 3rd line player - 30 - 40pts
Marc-Antoine Pouliot- 2nd liner - 40-50 pts a year
Marc-Andre Fleury - Allstar Goalie - 35+ wins per year
Niklas Kronwall - AllStar Dmen - 50 + pts per year
Anton Babchuk - Top 4 Dmen - 20 - 30 pts per year
Brent Seabrook - Top 4 Dmen 20 - 30 pts per year
Roman Voloshenko- Top 2line fwd 50-60 pts a year
Lukas Kaspar- 3rd line energy player - 35-45 pts per year
Mikhail Grabovsky - Top line player - 70+ pts per year
Aki Seitsonen - 4th liner at best
Brad Fast - 4th liner at best
Darryl Bootland - same
Johan Franzen - top 4 dmen - 35 - 40 pts a year

The worst that could happen​

Igor Grigorenko - plays in europe
Jiri Hudler - plays in europe
Valterri Filpulla - plays in europe
Evan McGrath - AHLer
Stefan Liv- plays in europe
Kyle Quincey - 7th dmen
Sean Bergenheim - 4th liner
Dustin Brown - 4th liner
Alexander Picard (CBJ)- 4th liner
Konstantin Pushkaryev - Europe
Konstantin Korneyev -Europe
Tobias Enstrom - Europe (probably won't ever come over)
Daivid Booth - ???
Loui Eriksson - Europe
Marc-Antoine Pouliot - AHLer
Marc-Andre Fleury - AHLer
Niklas Kronwall- 5 - 6 dmen
Anton Babchuk - 7th dman
Brent Seabrook - AHLer
Roman Voloshenko - Europe
Lukas Kaspar - 4th liner
Mikhail Grabovsky - europe
Aki Seitsonen - ECHLer
Brad Fast - AHLer
Darryl Bootland - AHLer
Johan Franzen - Europe​

 

[Chaos]

Well since I criticized someone elses list(and managed to get my post deleted), I might as well throw my opinion out there:

Igor Grigorenko- 2nd line- 50-70 points
Jiri Hudler- 2nd line or bust(leaning toward bust simply because of his size)-50 pts
Valterri Filpulla- 3rd line- 20-40 points
Evan McGrath- 2nd/3rd line- 35-55 points
Stefan Liv- Barely average in NHL- plays in Sweden most of his career
Kyle Quincey- Dont know enough
Sean Bergenheim- 3rd line- 35 points
Dustin Brown- 1st/2nd line- 65-80 points
Alexander Picard (CBJ)-2nd/3rd line- 40-60 points
Konstantin Pushkaryev- 2nd line- 60 points
Konstantin Korneyev- Dont know enough
Tobias Enstrom- Dont know enough
Daivid Booth- Dont know enough
Loui Eriksson- 1st/2nd line- 55-70 points
Marc-Antoine Pouliot- 2nd/3rd line- 50-60 points
Marc-Andre Fleury- Good solid NHL starter
Niklas Kronwall- #3/4 dman, 30-40 points
Anton Babchuk- #2 dman, 20 points
Brent Seabrook- #3 dman, 30-40 points
Roman Voloshenko- 2nd/3rd liner, 40-60 points
Lukas Kaspar- 2nd/3rd liner, 50 points
Mikhail Grabovsky - 3rd liner, 30 points
Aki Seitsonen- Dont know enough
Brad Fast- Dont know enough
Darryl Bootland- Dont know enough
Johan Franzen- 3rd/4th liner, 25-35 points. Everyone is getting this guy wrong. Hes an overage(24 I think) Detroit forward prospect, not the Stars defenseman Johan Fransson.

 

[AnThGrt]

Max Potential​

Dustin Brown - 2nd liner - 40-50 pts a year
Konstantin Pushkaryev - 1st line forward - 60-70 pts a year

The worst that could happen​

Dustin Brown - 4th liner
​

I like the Pushkaryev yet at max potential he could put up more pts offensivelly he has one of the highest ceiling out of any prospect his defense is his problem. As for Browns max potential being 40-50 pts i think thats being harsh towards him he has shown in AHL he can score more then that and was said to be the safest pick and has held that and i like the other comparison made more about him saying 65-80 pts i think thats more accurate.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Igor Grigorenko - top line, All-Star potential
Jiri Hudler - 1st line talent, size will limit him to 2nd line, IMO
Valterri Filpulla - 2nd liner
Evan McGrath - still worries me a bit, 2nd or 3rd liner
Stefan Liv - good back-up
Kyle Quincey - know nothing here
Sean Bergenheim - seems very similar to Lauri Korpikoski
Dustin Brown - Dave Andreychuk with better skating
Alexander Picard (CBJ) - 3rd liner
Konstantin Pushkaryev - could be a superstar or a bust, sky-high risk
Konstantin Korneyev - who?
Tobias Enstrom - ???
Daivid Booth - 2nd or 3rd line PF potential, big risk
Loui Eriksson - 3rd line two-way player, classic Finnish defensive forward.
Marc-Antoine Pouliot - good 2nd liner with aq Rob Niedermayer type career, but more offensive and less versatile.
Marc-Andre Fleury - risk... could be DiPietro no. 2.
Niklas Kronwall - maybe a Kimmo Timonen type.
Anton Babchuk - no. 2 or 3 stay-at-home d-man
Brent Seabrook - no. 2 d-man
Roman Voloshenko - risky, skating has greatly improved, 2nd line potential.
Lukas Kaspar - well-rounded 2nd liner with finishing prowess.
Mikhail Grabovsky - did well in the Super League, all I know.
Aki Seitsonen - I'd rate him an HF 6.
Brad Fast - don't know much
Darryl Bootland - same
Johan Franzen - top 4 offensive d-man

Quincey is one of the OHL's best d-men. Last cut from the WJC canada team this past year. Physical, stay-at-home type. Projects(hopefully) as a #4 d-man that can clear the net.

Brad Fast has decent potential, more likely an AHL player. He had one good year out of Michigan State, and then fell flat on his face this past year, ending up in the ECHL.

Bootland is a 4th liner at best, if he can get there.

Also, Franzen is a forward, 3rd liner, good 4th liner at best.

 

[KH1]

Sean Bergeheim has more potential than 20-30 points. He's a hard worker who to this homer seems like he could be a 20 goal scorer.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

OK, I confused Johan Franzen with Johan Fransson.

 

[Twist and Shout]

Sean Bergeheim has more potential than 20-30 points. He's a hard worker who to this homer seems like he could be a 20 goal scorer.

I agree.

I think 20 goals and 25-30 assists seems about right to me for an average season for him.

 

[Chaos]

OK, I confused Johan Franzen with Johan Fransson.

It happens alot...I used to think it was just a typo until I figured out they were actually two different people.

 

[Twist and Shout]

I'll only do the guys I've watched on more than a few occasions

Igor Grigorenko - 2nd line or bust
Jiri Hudler - bust
Valterri Filpulla - decent 2nd line or great 3rd line
Evan McGrath - 2nd line
Stefan Liv - will leave NA after realizing Howard is never going to let him play in Detroit
Sean Bergenheim - 2nd line
Dustin Brown - 2nd line
Alexander Picard (CBJ) - 2nd line
Konstantin Pushkaryev - call me crazy, but 1st liner (70 points upside)
Loui Eriksson - 2nd line
Marc-Antoine Pouliot - 3rd line or bust
Marc-Andre Fleury - not a top 5 NHL starter, but definately in the top 10 in the league
Niklas Kronwall - #2 dman
Anton Babchuk - #3 dman, but more likely as #4
Brent Seabrook - #3 dman
Roman Voloshenko - 2nd line
Lukas Kaspar - 1st line (his stats aren't an indicator of the kind of player he has the potential to become)
Mikhail Grabovsky - 3rd line or will never see NA ice
Aki Seitsonen - 3rd line
Johan Franzen - ready to step into the NHL now, good 3rd line

 

[Hedberg]

I'm not good at predicting points

Line ratings are for potential, not the season they break into the league
Igor Grigorenko- 2nd line/05-06
Jiri Hudler- 2nd line/06-07
Valterri Filpulla- 3rd line/05-06
Evan McGrath- 2nd line/08-09
Stefan Liv- Backup/05-06 or never
Kyle Quincey- 2nd pairing/07-08
Sean Bergenheim- 2nd line/05-06
Dustin Brown- 1st line/05-06
Alexander Picard (CBJ)- 2nd line/05-06
Konstantin Pushkaryev- 3rd line/07-08
Konstantin Korneyev- Bust
Tobias Enstrom- 3rd pairing/08-09 or never
Daivid Booth- 3rd line/08-09
Loui Eriksson- 2nd line/06-07
Marc-Antoine Pouliot- 2nd line/07-08
Marc-Andre Fleury- Starting Goalie/07-08
Niklas Kronwall- 1st pairing defenceman/05-06
Anton Babchuk- 3rd pairing defenceman/06-07
Brent Seabrook- 1st pairing defenceman/05-06
Roman Voloshenko- 3rd line/07-08 or never
Lukas Kaspar- 1st line/06-07
Mikhail Grabovsky- 3rd line/07-08 or never
Aki Seitsonen- 4th line/09-10
Brad Fast- Bust
Darryl Bootland- Bust
Johan Franzen- 4th line/05-06 or never

 

[Onion Boy]

Sean Bergeheim has more potential than 20-30 points. He's a hard worker who to this homer seems like he could be a 20 goal scorer.

As an NYR fan, I can tell you that I like Bergenheim ALOT. He may not reach 20 goals, but I definately think he has that potential.

That said, I see him settling in as a third liner, but an elite third liner who will inevitably see 2nd line duty often. He's got great energy, but has the hands and a nice, quick shot to go with it. Great overall package.

 

[Freaky Habs Fan]

For the Habs:

Konstantine Korneev will probably never come over because he would need to accept a huge paycut to play in the AHL. He have been compared to Andrei Markov but he's way smaller. His potential is good, spacially on the PP. He's fast and can quarterback the PP but nothing more...if he reach the NHL: 5th-6th, 20 points, if not, he will be a star in Russia. He's two years away.

Mikael Grabovski is a real wildcard. Many poster said he will be a 3rd liner but that's not true. He's an offensive kind of player so if he don't make it on the top two line of a team, he will stay in Russia. I think he wants to stay one more year in Russia before making the jump to N-A. He had an amazing season in the Superleague so he might be able to one day, be a second liner with a 50 points potential...(a la Zednik). He's two years away.

Both of these player a small so we'll have to see how they can do against stronger players...

 

[leafaholix*]

Igor Grigorenko - 1st liner / 60 pts / next year
Jiri Hudler - 2nd liner / 50 pts / 2 years
Valterri Filpulla - dont know
Evan McGrath - 2nd liner / 50 pts / 4 years
Stefan Liv - #2 / ? / 2 years
Kyle Quincey - dont know
Sean Bergenheim - 3rd liner / 30 pts / next year
Dustin Brown - 1st liner / 65 pts / next year
Alexander Picard (CBJ) - 2nd liner / 55 pts / 3 years
Konstantin Pushkaryev - 2nd liner / 50 pts / 3 years
Konstantin Korneyev - dont know
Tobias Enstrom - second pairing / 30 pts / 3 years
Daivid Booth - 3rd liner / 40 pts / 3 years
Loui Eriksson - 2nd liner / 60 pts / 2 years
Marc-Antoine Pouliot - 2nd liner / 50 pts / 2 years
Marc-Andre Fleury - #1 / ? / 2 years
Niklas Kronwall - #1 defenseman / 50 pts / next year
Anton Babchuk - #4 defenseman / 30 pts / 2 years
Brent Seabrook - #4 defenseman / 30 pts / 3 years
Roman Voloshenko - 3rd liner / 35 pts / 4 years
Lukas Kaspar - 2nd liner / 50 pts / 3 years
Mikhail Grabovsky - 3rd liner / 40 pts / 4 years
Aki Seitsonen - 3rd liner / 40 pts / 3 years
Brad Fast - dont know
Darryl Bootland - dont know
Johan Franzen - 3rd liner / 40 pts / next year

 

[Habsfan 32]

Igor Grigorenko: 1st line, 70 points, 2 years.
Jiri Hudler: 2nd line, 50 points, 1 year.
Valterri Filpulla: 3rd line, 40 points, 3 years.
Evan McGrath: 2nd line, 60 points, 3 years .
Stefan Liv: Back-up Goalie, next year.
Kyle Quincey: 4th Defenseman, 25 points good +/-, 4 years.
Sean Bergenheim: 2nd line, two-way scorer, next year.
Dustin Brown: 1st line power forward, 80 points, 2 years.
Alexander Picard (CBJ): 2nd line, 60 points, 3 years.
Konstantin Pushkaryev: 2nd line, 55 points, 2 years.
Konstantin Korneev: 5-6th defenseman, 20 points, 2 years.
Tobias Enstrom: 5-6th defenseman, 20 points, 3 years.
Daivid Booth: 3rd line grinder, 45 points, 3 years.
Loui Eriksson: 2nd line winger, 55 points, 3 years
Marc-Antoine Pouliot: 2nd line, two-way 60 points, 2 years.
Marc-Andre Fleury: #1 goalie in the world, 40 wins, 1 more year in the AHL.
Niklas Kronwall: #1 defenseman,45 points, NOW!
Anton Babchuk: #3 defenseman, 30 points , 2 years.
Brent Seabrook: #1 defenseman, 40 points, 2 years
Roman Voloshenko: 2nd line scorer, 55 points, 3 years.
Lukas Kaspar: 1st line forward, 65 points, 3 years.
Mikhail Grabovsky: 2nd line scorer, 55 points, next season.
Aki Seitsonen: 2nd line two-way player, 50 points, 2 years.
Brad Fast: Don't know him.
Darryl Bootland: 3rd line grinder, 35 points, next season.
Johan Franzen: 3rd liner, 45 points, 2 years.

 

[Debrincat93]

Johan Franzen - top 4 offensive d-man

hes a forward

and is there a reason why my post was deleted, i dont really like that, i was stating a opinion on why 160 ppl couldnt post something on 1 guy and it was taken off

 

[Debrincat93]

thanks everyone for the input i just read it all

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I hear ya, but avoid criticizing moderator decisions publicly - one of my many offenses.