HOHHOF -- Early Era -- Round 5

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  1. MXD

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    The fourth round for the Early Era HOHHOF begans now. Each voter will have 4 votes at his disposal, that he MUST cast, and the deadline will be Sunday, March 20th.
    If a player gets 80% of the total possible votes, he'll get induced in the HOHHOF. The votes are to be cast at

    [email protected]

    The eligible players can be found on this thread : http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=847482

    Click on the link beside the player for additionnal info.


    In round 1, the following players were inducted

    Rover/D Frederick "Cyclone" Taylor
    Rover/C Édouard "Newsy" Lalonde

    In round 2, the following player was inducted

    C Frank Nighbor

    In round 3, the following players were inducted

    Rover/F Russel "Dubbie" Bowie
    G Clint Benedict
    D Sprague Cleghorn


    In round 4, the following player was inducted

    C/LW Joe Malone


    This is the discussion thread for Round 4. Feel free to advocate for the players that you deem worthy. Here are the result of first rounds :

    http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=30438600&postcount=1 : Round 1

    http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=30765956&postcount=1 : Round 2

    http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=31125594&postcount=1 : Round 3

    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=881549 : Round 4

    Here's a few "mandatory" rules :

    - At all time, and in every round you can cast a write-in vote. This said, if you cast a vote for a non-eligible player (ex.: Josef Malecek in this one) in any round, your vote will be voided.
    - Every guy getting a write-in vote will be added to the ballot for the whole Early Era Rounds.
    - The players will remain on the Early Era ballots until the end of the rounds, or until when they're inducted.
    - As of now, there will be TEN (10) rounds. That number MIGHT be "reviewed" for a few more rounds (not less).
    - The Early Era guys will be eligible for write-ins in the "Chronological" rounds. It's a bit useless to bother about write-in rules at this point (since this is basically an open ballot with 80+ names), but if a guy is written in, he'll remain on the ballot for the reminder of the Early Era Rounds.
    - When you send your E-Mail, use the following format for the title
    HOHHOF ROUND x (in this case, 5), "hfboards usename" ballot

    So, for me, (AND ONLY FOR ME :naughty:) it would look like : HOHHOF Round 5, MXD ballot.

    The idea is to make the job easier for us when we count the votes.

    - Keep it civil and polite.

    Here's a suggestion :

    - Try to vote for the more "deserving guys", the players you think are the really best in that crop. Example : I really think Hap Holmes is worthy of the HOHHOF. This said -- I recognize there are AT LEAST four more "worthy" guys than him at this point. In this said, I'll restrain from voting for Hod Stuart in the 5th round. The idea is to get is to not get stuck with a few players that we all think are worthy, but that we disagree on the order of their induction.



    And a few others messages that aren't related to the Early Era voting rounds

    - Still looking for another trustee.
    - We need to start the "research" for the "Post-merger and Depression era" Keep in mind that the voting will start in 1940, with a 3 year "waiving" period (well, 3 seasons actually). So every player retiring in 1936-1937 or earlier will be eligible for the first round, and the other will be eligible in subsequent rounds.
     
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  2. TheDevilMadeMe

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    In case anyone was still reluctant to vote for Tommy Phillips. As late as 1932, he was still the player to whom all Western player were compared (remember Phillips was basically done in 1909 and actually done in 1912). Also, evidence that Dan Bain was actually considered one of the best players all-time for anyone concerned that he is more historical significance than great on his own right.

    By the way, I find the basic idea that "the kids in the East love Howie Morenz, but can he really be as good as the guys who played back in the good old days when players played the full 60 minutes?) to be hilarious.

     
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    An article from 1944 about the newly proposed HHOF lists the following players as “nearly certain” to be inducted into the Hall[s very first class: Georges Vezina, Hod Stuart, Howie Morenz, Tommy Phillips, Cyclone Taylor, Russel Bowie, Dan Bain, Frank McGee.

    “There is a possibility Newsy Lalonde and several other early-day stars will be added to the first slate.”

    Note the absence of Harvey Pulford as a “near certainty” for the inaugural class. Pulford would eventually be inducted into the actual first class, along with Hobey Baker, Charlie Gardiner, Eddie Gerard and Art Ross, as well as the “near certain” guys. Interesting that neither Newsy Lalonde or Mike Grant made it in either the 45 or 47 classes, having to wait until 1950.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...BAJ&pg=867,5600151&dq=dan+bain+winnipeg&hl=en
     
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    How can someone so important to the evolution of the game while being such a great defenceman only get a vote from me is really surprising. Obviously, I'm talking about Lester Patrick, whom should be the next defenceman added to our Hall of Fame. Tommy Phillips are Georges Vezina are my other two selection for now. Only Patrick and Phillips are locks for now, probably would vote for Stuart if we had to vote now.

    EDIT: Hopefully, the deadline isn't set for the 6th of March MXD!
     
  5. MXD

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    ...ehhh...good point Sir.
     
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    I think the real contenders are the following dudes:

    Georges Vezina
    Hugh Lehman

    Lester Patrick
    Hod Stuart
    Mike Grant
    Harvey Pulford

    Tommy Phillips
    Dan Bain
    Frank McGee
    Cy Denneny
    Mickey MacKay



    I'm pretty much locked in on Tommy Phillips and Hod Stuart. I don't think I'll vote for a goalie.
     
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    VanIslander Don't waste my time

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    Harvey Pulford was top-3 in 1890s games played, was the defensive star of the first ever Stanley Cup playoff game (in a losing effort, according to newspaper account), and went on to be top pairing guy (the team's #1) on the Ottawa dynasty teams of the early 1900s. He was hockey history's first great defensive defenseman.

    A hockey hall of fame without Harvey Pulford and Alf Smith is NO hockey hall of fame.

    Vote Pulford.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I just don't have room for pulford in my top 4. I can't vote him over hod Stuart bc Stuart seems to have been much more highly thought of when they both played and in historical accounts in the decades following - basically people who saw them play talked about Stuart and not pulford as a superstar.

    Likewise, pulford's teammate frank McGee seem seems to have been more highly thought of, even after they both retired. And I'm not even 100% sure I'm voting McGee this time - though I likely am.
     
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    I was sick last night and forgot too. Voted this morning.
     
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    Voted Sunday or Saturday
     
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    Forgot, (but now) voted, (and) felt better about myself!
     
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    Really interested to see how this turned out. I think once we get a few more guys in, the discussions will get really interesting again.
     
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    gah, voted, forgot about the deadline, sorry guys
     
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    I'm back in shape and able to count columns!
    Only the validating stage remains.

    Results looks A LOT like Round 2, actually.


    Wasn't much of a problem in the circumstances.
     

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