HOH Top 60 Centers of All Time

[vadim sharifijanov]

Yeah, they had him at #16, a single spot ahead of Forsberg, 5 ahead of Jagr and only 2 and 3 behind Bossy and Lafleur.
Yzerman came in at #31
They also had Lemieux ahead of Howe.

Suffice to say...
100 Adam Oates
99 Dave Keon
98 Paul Kariya
97 George Hainsworth
96 Joe Mullen
95 Serge Savard
94 Michel Goulet
93 Darryl Sittler
92 Borje Salming
91 Luc Robitaille
90 Markus Naslund
89 Jarome Iginla
88 Glenn Anderson
87 Eric Lindros
86 Phil Housley
85 Mike Modano
84 Rod Langway
83 Dave Andreychuk
82 Jean Ratelle
81 Johnny Bower
80 Brendan Shanahan
79 Joe Malone
78 Dino Ciccarelli
77 Norm Ullman
76 Pat LaFontaine
75 Scott Niedermayer
74 Denis Savard
73 Joe Nieuwendyk
72 Doug Gilmour
71 Chris Chelios
70 Chris Pronger
69 Mike Gartner
68 Dale Hawerchuk
67 Jeremy Roenick
66 Bob Gainey
65 Pavel Bure
64 Mark Howe
63 Sid Abel
62 Brian Leetch
61 Dickie Moore
60 Newsy Lalonde
59 John Bucyk
58 Alexander Mogilny
57 Al MacInnis
56 Yvan Cournoyer
55 Bill Durnan
54 Brad Park
53 Bill Cook
52 Scott Stevens
51 Bernie Geoffrion
50 Dit Clapper
49 Max Bentley
48 Peter Stastny
47 Milt Schmidt
46 Gilbert Perreault
45 Tim Horton
44 Tony Esposito
43 Ken Dryden
42 Sergei Fedorov
41 Bob Clarke
40 Frank Mahovlich
39 Howie Morenz
38 Ron Francis
37 Henri Richard
36 Charlie Conacher
35 Red Kelly
34 Grant Fuhr
33 Paul Coffey
32 Marcel Dionne
31 Steve Yzerman
30 Nicklas Lidstrom
29 Jari Kurri
28 Martin Brodeur
27 Brett Hull
26 Phil Esposito
25 Larry Robinson
24 Glenn Hall
23 Denis Potvin
22 Dominik Hasek
21 Jaromir Jagr
20 Terry Sawchuk
19 Ted Lindsay
18 Stan Mikita
17 Peter Forsberg
16 Joe Sakic
15 Jacques Plante
14 Mike Bossy
13 Guy Lafleur
12 Ray Bourque
11 Mark Messier
10 Jean Beliveau
9 Doug Harvey
8 Patrick Roy
7 Eddie Shore
6 Maurice Richard
5 Bobby Hull
4 Gordie Howe
3 Mario Lemieux
2 Bobby Orr
1 Wayne Gretzky

And not to give into the whole bias thing we've been through recently but to be fair, the omission of Fetisov, Tretiak and Makarov while Fedorov is the highest ranking Russian and there are only 2 others in the entire list in Mogilny and Bure...yeah, you'll have to excuse me if I don't give this list a whole lot of respect heh

a pretty hilarious list. markus naslund at 90, no bryan trottier. i'm guessing they just forgot about him being that bossy is #14 and potvin is #23, but still...

even in the context of recent players, ciccarelli and andreychuk over modano, savard, and goulet. also ciccarelli and andreychuk over robitaille, who was the same kind of player in the same era, and neither the stats nor the eye test come close to making that defensible.

but pavel bure > chris chelios i can get behind, hehe.

i did a little googling and apparently the list was compiled by barry melrose, ray ferraro, and darren pang on hockey2night. list seems to date from '04.



but anyway, the real reason i came to this thread is to say i just took a cursory look at the centers list so far and while i have a few minor quibbles about guys maybe being ahead of or behind other guys within 5 spots of them, overall it looks pretty right to me. nice job guys.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

Congrats. Kudos. You guys have really done a great job with this.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Here are the Top 40 in career span:

pre-1904: none
1904: one
1905-09: two
1910-11: three
1912-20: four
1921-22: five
1923: six
1924-27: five
1928-30: four
1931-33: three
1934-35: four
1936-38: six
1939: five
1940: six
1941: five
1942-47: seven
1948: six
1949: five
1950-54: seven
1955: six
1956-59: five
1960-61: six
1963-66: seven
1967-68: eight
1969-70: nine
1971: ten
1972-77: nine
1978-81: ten
1982: nine
1983: ten
1984: nine
1985-87: ten
1988-91: eleven
1992-93: twelve
1994: thirteen
1995: twelve
1996-99: eleven
1997-99: twelve
2000-03: eleven
2004: ten
2005-06: nine
2007: seven
2008-09: six
2010-11: four
2012-13: three

 

[MastuhNinks]

Slightly off-topic, but I assume you guys are going to do a wingers ranking next year?

I don't really have anything to contribute to these but they're fun to follow.

 

[seventieslord]

Slightly off-topic, but I assume you guys are going to do a wingers ranking next year?

I don't really have anything to contribute to these but they're fun to follow.

Yes, that's right.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I'm calling Nedomansky "Czech/Slovak," since I don't think the OP of this project is the place to get into a contentious debate over which one to classify him as.

 

[Lauro]

I'm calling Nedomansky "Czech/Slovak," since I don't think the OP of this project is the place to get into a contentious debate over which one to classify him as.

Why not CSSR, his nation while he was playing?

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Why not CSSR, his nation while he was playing?

I also thought of that, but then would someone complain that I'm using "Russia" instead of "USSR" for players like that?

 

[kmad]

(you spelled Darryl wrong in the OP)

 

[ted2019]

I was going through the HOH Top 40 Goalies thread and saw something that peaked My interest, the survey. I think that it would be cool to do something similar with this project.

 

[Hardyvan123]

I was going through the HOH Top 40 Goalies thread and saw something that peaked My interest, the survey. I think that it would be cool to do something similar with this project.

what survey was that?

 

[tarheelhockey]

what survey was that?

He's referring to the survey we did after the end of the project: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1341017

I can't remember if we've discussed it yet behind the scenes, but I think the intention was to do this kind of survey after the centers and wingers projects.

 

[Hardyvan123]

I didn't do the goalies project and missed that and yes that would be a good idea IMO as I'm a huge advocate for transparency and the process.

 

[ted2019]

He's referring to the survey we did after the end of the project: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1341017

I can't remember if we've discussed it yet behind the scenes, but I think the intention was to do this kind of survey after the centers and wingers projects.

Cool. I can't wait for Wingers project.

 

[thom]

Not meant to be anti-Jacques Lemaire but just to show the facts.Question why is Guy Lafleurs plus minus so much higher than Jacques Lemaire since many of you believe he was a terrific 2 way player.I mean Brian Trottier and Bobby Clarke are pretty equal or better than Lafleur-just asking

 

[Crease]

Not meant to be anti-Jacques Lemaire but just to show the facts.Question why is Guy Lafleurs plus minus so much higher than Jacques Lemaire since many of you believe he was a terrific 2 way player.I mean Brian Trottier and Bobby Clarke are pretty equal or better than Lafleur-just asking

+/- is not the most reliable stat. Too much noise. It doesn't account for strength of on-ice competition, quality of your defensemen and goalie, etc.

 

[VMBM]

+/- is not the most reliable stat. Too much noise. It doesn't account for strength of on-ice competition, quality of your defensemen and goalie, etc.

Yeah, unlike Lafleur, Lemaire played on those poor teams

Although I don't really know how big conclusions one can make from their respective plus/minus, they did play on the same team, and even on the same line in the late 1970s. Steve Shutt has better +/- than Lemaire too.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Yeah, unlike Lafleur, Lemaire played on those poor teams

Although I don't really know how big conclusions one can make from their respective plus/minus, they did play on the same team, and even on the same line in the late 1970s. Steve Shutt has better +/- than Lemaire too.

Good chance that when their line lost possession of the puck in the offensive zone, Lafluer & Shutt were headed to the bench, leaving the ever defensively responsible Lemaire to stay out longer.

 

[Fredrik_71]

Great list. I can definitely live with this one. To bad Marcel Dionne doesn't get a higher ranking though. Is it time HOH Top 60 D-men ranking? That one should be interesting

 

[Theokritos]

Is it time HOH Top 60 D-men ranking? That one should be interesting

Already done.

 

[Fredrik_71]

Already done.

That was a while ago. But I can live with that one to. Atleast the top-10.

 

[Lauro]

I sadly missed defense and goalie, but this was a great project to follow and I learned a lot. Thanks for all your contributions.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I sadly missed defense and goalie, but this was a great project to follow and I learned a lot. Thanks for all your contributions.

All the discussion for defense and goalies are linked in the other sticked thread. You can read them if you have A LOT of time on your hands.

 

[bigbuffalo313]

When does everyone's voting record get released?

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

When does everyone's voting record get released?

over the next couple of weeks. We release them 2-3 at a time, so they doesn't take over the board.