HOH Top 100 List & Voting Record: EagleBelfour

[FissionFire]

List 18

Rank | Player | Pos
1| Bobby Orr |D
2| Gordie Howe |RW
3| Wayne Gretzky |C
4| Mario Lemieux |C
5| Jean Beliveau |C
6| Maurice Richard |RW
7| Doug Harvey |D
8| Eddie Shore |D
9| Jacques Plante |G
10| Bobby Hull |LW
11| Patrick Roy |G
12| Ray Bourque |D
13| Mike Bossy |RW
14| Guy Lafleur |RW
15| Denis Potvin |D
16| Stan Mikita |C
17| Phil Esposito |C
18| Ted Lindsay |LW
19| Howie Morenz |C
20| Terry Sawchuk |G
21| Dominik Hasek |G
22| Bobby Clarke |C
23| Larry Robinson |D
24| Mark Messier |C
25| Red Kelly |D
26| Bryan Trottier |C
27| Milt Schmidt |C
28| Nicklas Lidstrom |D
29| Steve Yzerman |C
30| Valeri Kharlamov |LW
31| Glenn Hall |G
32| Jaromir Jagr |RW
33| Joe Sakic |C
34| Viacheslav Fetisov |D
35| Martin Brodeur |G
36| Ken Dryden |G
37| Paul Coffey |D
38| Bernard Geoffrion |RW
39| Chris Chelios |D
40| Brad Park |D
41| Scott Stevens |D
42| Turk Broda |G
43| Charlie Conacher |RW
44| Tim Horton |D
45| Dit Clapper |RW/D
46| Bill Durnan |G
47| Pierre Pilote |D
48| Al MacInnis |D
49| Bernie Parent |G
50| Bill Cook |RW
51| Frank Mahovlich |LW
52| Jari Kurri |RW
53| Earl Seibert |D
54| Brett Hull |RW
55| Syl Apps, Sr. |C
56| Dickie Moore |LW
57| Henri Richard |C
58| King Clancy |D
59| Andy Bathgate |RW
60| Brian Leetch |D
61| Frank Brimsek |G
62| Ted Kennedy |C
63| Max Bentley |C
64| Cyclone Taylor |C
65| Gilbert Perreault |C
66| Clint Benedict |G
67| Scott Niedermayer |D
68| Joe Malone |C
69| Bill Gadsby |D
70| Newsy Lalonde |C
71| Peter Stastny |C
72| Marcel Dionne |C
73| Johnny Bower |G
74| Billy Smith |G
75| Sergei Fedorov |C
76| Toe Blake |LW
77| Dave Keon |C
78| Elmer Lach |C
79| Sprague Cleghorn |D
80| Vladislav Tretiak |G
81| Chris Pronger |D
82| Butch Bouchard |D
83| Serge Savard |D
84| Busher Jackson |LW
85| Charlie Gardiner |G
86| Aurel Joliat |LW
87| Boris Mikhailov |RW
88| Guy Lapointe |D
89| Frank Boucher |C
90| Bob Gainey |LW
91| Jacques Laperriere |D
92| Valeri Vasiliev |D
93| Ron Francis |C
94| Yvan Cournoyer |RW
95| Sid Abel |C/LW
96| Alex Delvecchio |C/LW
97| Johnny Bucyk |LW
98| Nels Stewart |C
99| Bill Cowley |C
100| Cy Denneny |LW
101| Rod Langway |D
102| Borje Salming |D
103| Black Jack Stewart |D
104| Dale Hawerchuk |C
105| Bill Quackenbush |D
106| Anatoli Firsov |LW
107| Brendan Shanahan |LW
108| Luc Robitaille |LW
109| Frank Nighbor |C
110| Adam Oates |C
111| Alexander Yakushev |LW
112| Marcel Pronovost |D
113| Doug Bentley |LW
114| Tom Johnson |D
115| Alexander Maltsev |RW
116| Igor Larionov |C
117| Jean Ratelle |C
118| Norm Ullman |C
119| Cam Neely |RW
120| Pat LaFontaine |C

Players from the Top 100 not to appear on this list:
Peter Forsberg (74)
Sergei Makarov (77)
George Hainsworth (81)

Players ranked highest overall on this list:
NONE

Players ranked lowest overall on this list:
NONE

Players unique to this list:
NONE

Voting By Round

Round | Rank 1 | Rank 2 | Rank 3 | Rank 4 | Rank 5 | Rank 6 | Rank 7
1|Bobby Orr|Gordie Howe|Wayne Gretzky|Mario Lemieux
2|Jean Beliveau|Maurice Richard|Bobby Hull|Doug Harvey|Eddie Shore|Howie Morenz
3|Jacques Plante|Ray Bourque|Stan Mikita|Dominik Hasek|Patrick Roy
4|Patrick Roy|Denis Potvin|Terry Sawchuk|Red Kelly|Bobby Clarke
5|Bobby Clarke|Ted Lindsay|Glenn Hall|Mark Messier|Nicklas Lidstrom
6|Nicklas Lidstrom|Newsy Lalonde|Mike Bossy|Bryan Trottier|Ken Dryden
7|Milt Schmidt|Martin Brodeur|Larry Robinson|Joe Sakic|Viacheslav Fetisov
8|Steve Yzerman|Brad Park|Bernie Geoffrion|Syl Apps, Sr.|Ken Dryden
9|Charlie Conacher|Bill Durnan|Chris Chelios|Bill Cook|Cyclone Taylor
10|Max Bentley|Frank Mahovlich|Marcel Dionne|Pierre Pilote|Paul Coffey
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[God Bless Canada]

I don't know if there's really much to say about this list, other than I'm sure Max Bentley will be a lot higher next time around.

Three guys from the list didn't make the top 100. I'm guessing that Lafontaine was lower on this list than any other, but outside of that, not much unique to this list. No voting participation outside of the top 50.

It seems to me to be a pretty inconspicuous list that won't attract a lot of debate.

Would be interested to hear from Eagle who will be higher, and who will be lower, next time.

 

[FissionFire]

I thought that Marcel Dionne at 72 (behind Niedermayer especially) was interesting.

Fedorov at 75 and Forsberg not even listed were was also something I thought was notable.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

I thought that Marcel Dionne at 72 (behind Niedermayer especially) was interesting.

Those were the two names that jumped out at me as well. I'm curious to know from Eagle and the others who had Niedermayer on thier lists: Was this actually the product of genuine research and assessment? Because I can't help but think that the "experts" in the media who constantly overrate modern players in an all-time context may have been the overriding factor (you see it with Lidstrom and Brodeur constantly as well).

 

[pitseleh]

Those were the two names that jumped out at me as well. I'm curious to know from Eagle and the others who had Niedermayer on thier lists: Was this actually the product of genuine research and assessment? Because I can't help but think that the "experts" in the media who constantly overrate modern players in an all-time context may have been the overriding factor (you see it with Lidstrom and Brodeur constantly as well).

For me at least, it was a combination of two factors: overrating his pre-lockout career and valuing playoff performance too much. The first was just a pure recall thing, projecting what he has done lately over his entire career when that hasn't been the case in the least. The second I think I was able to balance over the course of the voting process. For example, I had Marcel Dionne far lower than most (if not all) behind centers like Ted Kennedy and Henri Richard and much of it was based on defensive play and playoff performance.

A surprising thing for me is not having Makarov on the list but including Maltsev and Yakushev. It may have just been an oversight on EB's behalf.

 

[EagleBelfour]

It's not a list I'm proud of actually. I've made it in a couple of hours and looking at it, this list is very flawed. Nieds over Dionne is crazy and I have no idea why I did so. However, I still stand that I would take Jean Ratelle and Norm Ullman ahead of Peter Forsberg.

This list is not worth debating. If you really want to debate over one of my list, my brand new top-50 is worth it:

1-Bobby Orr, defenseman
2-Gordie Howe, right winger
3-Wayne Gretzky, center
4-Mario Lemieux, center
5-Jean Béliveau, center
6-Maurice Richard, right winger
7-Bobby Hull, left winger
8-Doug Harvey, defenseman
9-Eddie Shore, defenseman
10-Howie Morenz, center
11-Jacques Plante, goaltender
12-Raymond Bourque, defenseman
13-Stan Mikita, center
14-Dominik Hasek, goaltender
15-Patrick Roy, goaltender
16-Red Kelly, defenseman
17-Denis Potvin, defenseman
18-Terry Sawchuk, goaltender
19-Guy Lafleur, right winger
20-Bobby Clarke, center
21-Ted Lindsay, left winger
22-Glenn Hall, goaltender
23-Mark Messier, center
24-Niklas Lidstrom, defenseman
25-Valeri Kharlamov, left winger
26-Phil Esposito, center
27-Newsy Lalonde, center
28-Jaromir Jagr, right winger
29-Milt Schmidt, center
30-Bryan Trottier, center
31-Mike Bossy, right winger
32-Martin Brodeur, goaltender
33-Larry Robinson, defenseman
34-Joe Sakic, center
35-Viacheslav Fetisov, defenseman
36-Cyclone Taylor, right winger
37-Ken Dryden, goaltender
38-Syl Apps Sr., center
39-Bernard Geoffrion, right winger
40-Bill Cook, right winger
41-Brad Park, defenseman
42-Steve Yzerman, center
43-Chris Chelios, defenseman
44-Bill Durnan, goaltender
45-Charlie Conacher, right winger
46-Turk Broda, goaltender
47-Max Bentley, center
48-Frank Mahovlich, left winger
49-Marcel Dionne, center
50-Pierre Pilote, defenseman

 

[MXD]

Actually, my biggest question mark was The Big Yak ahead of Maltsev...

 

[Koivu84*]

Move Bobby Hull up
Morenz is too high
Jagr is too low
Messier is too low
Bobby Clarke is too high
Bernie Geoffrion is too high
Paul Coffey is too high
Ken Dryden is too high
Scott Niedermayer is too high
Marcel Dionne is too low
Terry Sawchuk is too low
Steve Yzerman is too high

 

[Pear Juice]

Move Bobby Hull up
Morenz is too high
Jagr is too low
Messier is too low
Bobby Clarke is too high
Bernie Geoffrion is too high
Paul Coffey is too high
Ken Dryden is too high
Scott Niedermayer is too high
Marcel Dionne is too low
Terry Sawchuk is too low
Steve Yzerman is too high

Stunning arguments.

 

[FissionFire]

Move Bobby Hull up
Morenz is too high
Jagr is too low
Messier is too low
Bobby Clarke is too high
Bernie Geoffrion is too high
Paul Coffey is too high
Ken Dryden is too high
Scott Niedermayer is too high
Marcel Dionne is too low
Terry Sawchuk is too low
Steve Yzerman is too high

Did you even bother to look at his revised Top 50 he posted?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

How did Bossy go from 13 to 31?

I guess this is the trend of the board. I think lots of people got swayed on Bossy.
But being that I have an apparent greater respect for goal scorers than most, Bossy at 13 seems better to me than 31.

 

[EagleBelfour]

How did Bossy go from 13 to 31?

I guess this is the trend of the board. I think lots of people got swayed on Bossy.
But being that I have an apparent greater respect for goal scorers than most, Bossy at 13 seems better to me than 31.

Yep, arguments put him down on my list, even though he was way too high at 13 (don't know why I had him that high). I definitely more the kind of fan who likes complete hockey players and that's the main reason why players like Clarke or Trottier are ahead of him. Anyway, got to admit that it's really difficult to put a rank on a player. This list would probably change again if we started over again.