HOH Top 100 List & Voting Record: BM67

FissionFire · Jul 30, 2008

List 4

Rank | Player | Pos
1| Wayne Gretzky |C
2| Gordie Howe |RW
3| Bobby Orr |D
4| Mario Lemieux |C
5| Bobby Hull |LW
6| Maurice Richard |RW
7| Eddie Shore |D
8| Newsy Lalonde |C
9| Jean Beliveau |C
10| Doug Harvey |D
11| Jacques Plante |G
12| Patrick Roy |G
13| Cyclone Taylor |C
14| Dominik Hasek |G
15| Howie Morenz |C
16| Glenn Hall |G
17| Stan Mikita |C
18| Ray Bourque |D
19| Phil Esposito |C
20| Ted Lindsay |LW
21| Denis Potvin |D
22| Red Kelly |D
23| Bill Cook |RW
24| Bobby Clarke |C
25| Mark Messier |C
26| Martin Brodeur |G
27| Jaromir Jagr |RW
28| Terry Sawchuk |G
29| Guy Lafleur |RW
30| Mike Bossy |RW
31| Steve Yzerman |C
32| Viacheslav Fetisov |D
33| Nicklas Lidstrom |D
34| Joe Malone |C
35| Milt Schmidt |C
36| Bryan Trottier |C
37| Henri Richard |C
38| Larry Robinson |D
39| Ken Dryden |G
40| Russell Bowie |C
41| Vsevolod Bobrov |RW
42| Joe Sakic |C
43| Turk Broda |G
44| Charlie Conacher |RW
45| Vladislav Tretiak |G
46| Bernard Geoffrion |RW
47| Sergei Makarov |RW
48| Clint Benedict |G
49| Cy Denneny |LW
50| Syl Apps, Sr. |C
51| Brad Park |D
52| Ted Kennedy |C
53| Peter Stastny |C
54| Anatoli Firsov |LW
55| Paul Coffey |D
56| Frank Boucher |C
57| Brett Hull |RW
58| Sprague Cleghorn |D
59| Valeri Kharlamov |LW
60| Chris Chelios |D
61| Marcel Dionne |C
62| Max Bentley |C
63| Moose Johnson |D
64| Bill Durnan |G
65| Alexander Maltsev |RW
66| George Hainsworth |G
67| Jari Kurri |RW
68| Elmer Lach |C
69| Frank Mahovlich |LW
70| Bernie Parent |G
71| Earl Seibert |D
72| Frank Brimsek |G
73| Dit Clapper |RW/D
74| Dickie Moore |LW
75| Valeri Vasiliev |D
76| Tim Horton |D
77| Andy Bathgate |RW
78| Aurel Joliat |LW
79| Boris Mikhailov |RW
80| Johnny Bower |G
81| Toe Blake |LW
82| King Clancy |D
83| Gilbert Perreault |C
84| Dave Keon |C
85| Billy Smith |G
86| Pierre Pilote |D
87| Busher Jackson |LW
88| Frank Nighbor |C
89| Hap Holmes |G
90| Vladimir Martinec |RW
91| Vladimir Petrov |C
92| Al MacInnis |D
93| Scott Stevens |D
94| Serge Savard |D
95| Grant Fuhr |G
96| Mickey MacKay |C
97| Doug Bentley |LW
98| Bill Gadsby |D
99| Frantisek Pospisil |D
100| Georges Vezina |G
101| Eddie Gerard |LW/D
102| Punch Broadbent |RW
103| Bill Cowley |C
104| Nels Stewart |C
105| Jiri Holecek |G
106| Vaclav Nedomansky |RW
107| Ernie Russell |C
108| Sweeny Schriner |LW
109| Harry Cameron |D
110| Hugh Lehman |G
111| Babe Dye |RW
112| Brian Leetch |D
113| Chris Pronger |D
114| Sid Abel |C/LW
115| Alex Delvecchio |C/LW
116| Charlie Gardiner |G
117| Alexei Kasatonov |D
118| Norm Ullman |C
119| Sergei Fedorov |C
120| Johnny Bucyk |LW

Players from the Top 100 not to appear on this list:
Peter Forsberg (74)
Borje Salming (T-85)
Ron Francis (94)

Players ranked highest overall on this list:
Newsy Lalonde (8)
Bill Cook (23)
Sergei Makarov (47)

Players ranked lowest overall on this list:
Guy Lafleur (29)
Pierre Pilote (86)
Sid Abel (114)
Charlie Gardiner (116)
Sergei Fedorov (119)
Johnny Bucyk (120)

Players unique to this list:
Russell Bowie (40)
Vladimir Martinec (90)
Mickey MacKay (96)
Punch Broadbent (102)
Ernie Russell (107)

Voting By Round

vancityluongo · Jul 30, 2008

Lalonde ahead of Beliveau!?

reckoning · Jul 30, 2008

Lalonde at #8 may be the gutsiest top 10 ranking we see in this whole thing. I'm a little surprised that his ranking of Cyclone at #13 isn't Taylor's highest rank. I'm very surprised that Russell Bowie only made one list.

MXD · Jul 30, 2008

Wow, I thought I had Lalonde extremely high at 15th...

FissionFire · Jul 30, 2008

While Lalonde's ranking is probably the most notable, I actually think the gutsiest ranking on this list is Lafleur at 29, behind Cook, Clarke, Messier, and especially Jagr. That ranking really took some stones since you know people will disagree rather vigorously with it.

BM67 · Jul 30, 2008

vancityluongo said:
Lalonde ahead of Beliveau!?

While having Lalonde at 8 and ahead of Beliveau might not be quite right, where do you rate a "Ted Lindsay with 6 goal scoring titles"?

God Bless Canada · Jul 30, 2008

I think this will be the gutsiest list of them all. I knew that BM would be heavy on early era guys. His comments at several points in the process were very defending of the pre-26 players.

I wasn't expecting to see Lalonde at 8 or Taylor at 13. I definitely wasn't expecting to see Dubie Bowie at 40 or Bobrov at 41. Gutsy. I don't agree, but it's gutsy. I guess I'm a little surprised to see Hockey's First Superstar behind Lalonde and Taylor. I'm surprised Lafleur is at 29. I'm shocked that Kharlamov isn't the top-ranked Soviet winger on BM's list.

Maybe he was looking at impact on the game.

Good to see Punch Broadbent on a list. I think Murph would have probably listed Punch if he was participating. Punch is a guy I'll give a long look next time.

If amnesiac was surprising for the defencemen he left off, BM is surprising for all the early players he included.

BM67 · Jul 30, 2008

FissionFire said:
While Lalonde's ranking is probably the most notable, I actually think the gutsiest ranking on this list is Lafleur at 29, behind Cook, Clarke, Messier, and especially Jagr. That ranking really took some stones since you know people will disagree rather vigorously with it.

Jagr can't quite match Lafleur's 6 year peak, but career wise he outproduces him in both the regular season and playoffs. While Jagr has been knocked as a playoff performer, he has been top 3 in team playoff scoring 12 times (5 firsts), while Lafleur only did it 8 times (7 firsts with 3 of them ties).

BM67 · Jul 30, 2008

God Bless Canada said:
I think this will be the gutsiest list of them all. I knew that BM would be heavy on early era guys. His comments at several points in the process were very defending of the pre-26 players.

I wasn't expecting to see Lalonde at 8 or Taylor at 13. I definitely wasn't expecting to see Dubie Bowie at 40 or Bobrov at 41. Gutsy. I don't agree, but it's gutsy. I guess I'm a little surprised to see Hockey's First Superstar behind Lalonde and Taylor. I'm surprised Lafleur is at 29. I'm shocked that Kharlamov isn't the top-ranked Soviet winger on BM's list.

Maybe he was looking at impact on the game.

Good to see Punch Broadbent on a list. I think Murph would have probably listed Punch if he was participating. Punch is a guy I'll give a long look next time.

If amnesiac was surprising for the defencemen he left off, BM is surprising for all the early players he included.

After about 25-30 or so, is when I stopped making any changes once a player was put on, just so I could actually finish the list. I'd still be working on it if people had of left me too it.

After further review I'd say Bobrov's career is too short, only 3 years of international play, for a real high ranking.

Punch is one guy I'm starting to feel is overrated, at least as a scorer, so he might be gone next time.

lextune · Jul 30, 2008

Ray at 18 is madness.

MXD · Jul 30, 2008

lextune said:
Ray at 18 is madness.

????

lextune · Jul 30, 2008

Just saying that having Ray Bourque as low as 18 is crazy, in my opinion.

FissionFire · Jul 30, 2008

lextune said:
Just saying that having Ray Bourque as low as 18 is crazy, in my opinion.

I don't really think it is at all. BM67 places alot of value of older players which pushed Bourque down a bit. He also seems to view goalies as more important than defensemen considering the relatively higher ranking they have. While Bourque is 18th on the list, he's still the 4th defenseman on his list so really it's not out of place at all. He just values defensemen much lower than forwards and goalies.

Kyle McMahon · Jul 30, 2008

God Bless Canada said:
I wasn't expecting to see Lalonde at 8 or Taylor at 13. I definitely wasn't expecting to see Dubie Bowie at 40 or Bobrov at 41. Gutsy. I don't agree, but it's gutsy. I guess I'm a little surprised to see Hockey's First Superstar behind Lalonde and Taylor. I'm surprised Lafleur is at 29. I'm shocked that Kharlamov isn't the top-ranked Soviet winger on BM's list.

The annointing of Morenz as "Hockey's First Superstar" is somewhat dubious. Lalonde, Taylor, and Malone came before Howie, and I don't how any of those three could not be considered superstars. Style points are surely part of the equation (the Stratford Streak certainly scores high in that category), but Taylor was every bit as skilled and flashy as Morenz, even if Lalonde and Malone weren't.

Very good list BM67, I love that you truly gave fair representation to every era of hockey. Couldn't beleive that Lalonde was eighth. That's higher than I ranked him, but defensible, even though it will catch a lot of people off gaurd.

lextune · Jul 31, 2008

FissionFire said:
While Bourque is 18th on the list, he's still the 4th defenseman on his list so really it's not out of place at all. He just values defensemen much lower than forwards and goalies.

This is a very good point

It escaped my notice in the first rush of surprise at seeing Ray outside the top 15.

Koivu84* · Aug 6, 2008

Newsy Lalonde is way too high
Cyclone Taylor is way too high
Denis Potvin is way too high
Bobby Clarke is too high
Mark Messier is too low
Mike Bossy is too low
Steve Yzerman is too high
Guy Lafleur is too low
Brian Trottier is too low
Henri Richard is too high
Valeri Kharlamov is too low
Marcel Dionne is way too low
Jari Kurri is too low
Tim Horton is too low
Billy Smith is too high
Alex Delvecchio is too low

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