At the age of 20, Mikael Tellqvist dominated the SEL. Yes, there's a great chance that Lundqvist may end up being the best Swedish goaltender in the world, but Alexander Steen's been rated as the top prospect for a while now and it's up to EP.com's staff to figure out who's the better prospect.NYRangers said:
Hockey's Future's Top 50 Prospects: 26-50
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Leafaholix said:
You have good points. I don't necessarily think Kesler will be better than Steen. Steen will probably be the better NHL player but as of right now, I think Kesler is the safer option.
Lets just agree to disagree.
You stick to your "experts" and I will stick to what I have seen of Kesler in the NHL against some of the world's best.
They're the same people that have been putting out everything you're reading on Henrik Lundqvist. Personally, I've been following Johan Nilsson's (Predatore) work since June of 2002 and he's as objective as they come.NYRangers said:
Hootchie Cootchie said:
Up to my par?
They obviously weren't up to the par of:
-24 NHL General Managers who've experienced hockey all of their lives.
-Team USA scouts who didn't think he was good enough to be announced to Team USA (with the first 12).
No because Kesler was never thought of to be a game breaker, and so he'd never be thought of as being a top 5 to begin with.Jovanovski = Norris said:
Schremp fell for reasons, and is looking to be fixing one of those reasons this season with his commitment to defence.
Jovanovski = Norris said:
Make it 15-20 GMs. Unless you think Schremp was supposed to go 1st overall. Either way its too bad for them.
Out of curiousity who are the centres for team USA? Hes a centre so it would be out of 4, not 12 wouldnt it.
Oiltalk said:
He is a game-breaker no doubt. I would've have loved for Edmonton to pass on him with their 25th pick so Vancouver could've nabbed him at 26. Even Brian Burke commented how perfect it would've been to grab Schremp. Don't get me wrong, he is a great prospect with amazing potential, I just don't think he should be that high considering Andrew Ladd was a 4th overall pick who plays a much more well-rounded game and AJ Thelen was a 9th overall pick who also has an astonishing resume. And both Thelen and Ladd were also #30-something prospects to that list. I think Schremp is wonderful but he just shouldn't have been that high. Thats all.
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For the several fans who can't wait to disparage this list because apperantly my influence over it:
I was not on the Top 50 committe. I had no influence over it what-so-ever.
Make you feel better? Steen is about where he deserves to be. I'd personally have Coca Cola about 10 spots higher, and I thought Eric Fehr was a little low as well, but other than that, not a bad list.
I was not on the Top 50 committe. I had no influence over it what-so-ever.
Make you feel better? Steen is about where he deserves to be. I'd personally have Coca Cola about 10 spots higher, and I thought Eric Fehr was a little low as well, but other than that, not a bad list.
Leafaholix said:
Tellqvist dominated? What? His best GAA in a season is 2.08 and his best Save % in a season is .914. Note, that is his career best in the SEL. WIth a considerabley better league Lunqvist has a .939 save %. Henrik's CAREER SEL save % is .928 . The numbers aren't even close.
His Save % stats for the last 3 seasons are 939, 927 and 948. Tellqvist doesnt come close to that. if that isnt dominating I don't know what is.
Hootchie Cootchie said:
And 15-20 GMs didn't have him top 10 in their "mock-draft lists"?!? C'est horreur!!!
I don't think the fact that he is a center annulifies his eligibility. Team Canada always names more than 4 centers to their National teams (Olympics, World Cup, etc..). And I don't think Schremp would forget how to score simply because he is beginning the face-off a few feet away from his normal residence.
Chaos said:
Wasnt speaking of Lunqvist. I was talking about "Swedish fans say he's as close to a sure-fire NHL player as there is."
Fair enough. What we don't know is how much emphasis was put into how well the players are playing this season so far, and how much is based on potential, and or experience so far. Personally I think Schremp has more top end potential than that of Ladd, but that Ladd is a much safer pick to make the NHL, and be successful. Based on everything I believe Schremp sits around the range he should be at, but of course it's all my opinion.Jovanovski = Norris said:
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NYRangers said:
The current season isn't a factor in the ratings. The list was made based on information up until the start of this season.
Jovanovski = Norris said:
I was just asking; no need to be sarcastic, I really am not aware of the process Team USA has to selct their final 12, because thats a forward lineup without any extra players, etc, so obviously its different from how Team Canada selects their roster, isnt it? But that he wouldnt crack your top-60 because "24 GMs passed on him" seems pretty weak to me, no offense.
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Hootchie Cootchie said:
I think he'd have better luck searching the mock draft forum in the fantasy section. All the mock drafts are contained there.
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Well, you're views on anything related to the Maple Leafs are taken with a grain of salt. The point isn't that Steen should be higher, because if he's at #36, there should be a hell of a lot of great prospects on the list ahead of him... and Ryan Kesler isn't great.Jay Thompson said:
And if there was 35 prospects better than Steen, I'd be very excited about the future of the game and I'd look forward... but the fact is that we have sure-fire NHL players with 2nd line upside over sure-fire NHL players with top line upside.
I always appreciate the effort and HF's stuff is always a good read, but man, Miller going from #9 to #41 makes you wonder about those lists' worth (now was it the last list that was completely guessed ******** or this one?) 
Hootchie Cootchie said:
I didn't mean to be rude but I am a stickl'er to facts and reality. Maybe Schremp has phenomal skillsets and will dominate the NHL but the fact that 24 NHL General Managers and the Team USA selection committee all passed on him shows something. They've experienced hockey all their lives and knows every nuance of what it takes to be a good hockey player. Top 60 for a player pick 24th overall in comparison to hundreds of prospects drafted over the past couple of years - it isn't too low to be honest.
How the hell is JDD over Antero Niittymaki and Marek Schwarz?
And again Harding goes unnoticed. His numbers are very similiar to JDD and was in fact a backup for the Canadian Junior team and I don't think he'll be in the top 25 personally.
Oh well I like the list, it feels solid...
Just I hope to God Koivu isn't in the top 50 anymore...
On second thought...
Did Olesz's concussion drop him down that far?
Mike Richards almost in the 40s? I thought he was a sure fire pick? or is that Jeff Carter?
As I said Niittymaki feels a little low. Roy, Higgins I can see dropping. Bernier is a solid pick, but I wouldn't know where I would put him.
Schwarz, Whitney, and Grebshkov all took a beating it looks like. If Montoya is in the top 25 I will be amazed. Dubnyk hopefully isn't.
Fehr, Olesz and Miller...Fehr and Miller I wouldn't know where to put but Olesz I think could be lower on the list like in the 20s.
JDD needs to be in the 40s-50s...Good goalie but a great goalie crop coming out of 2002.
Tukonen feels right.
Most of the picks could be shifted, it feels like but I commend HF for doing this because it is pretty damn hard.
And again Harding goes unnoticed. His numbers are very similiar to JDD and was in fact a backup for the Canadian Junior team and I don't think he'll be in the top 25 personally.
Oh well I like the list, it feels solid...
Just I hope to God Koivu isn't in the top 50 anymore...
On second thought...
Did Olesz's concussion drop him down that far?
Mike Richards almost in the 40s? I thought he was a sure fire pick? or is that Jeff Carter?
As I said Niittymaki feels a little low. Roy, Higgins I can see dropping. Bernier is a solid pick, but I wouldn't know where I would put him.
Schwarz, Whitney, and Grebshkov all took a beating it looks like. If Montoya is in the top 25 I will be amazed. Dubnyk hopefully isn't.
Fehr, Olesz and Miller...Fehr and Miller I wouldn't know where to put but Olesz I think could be lower on the list like in the 20s.
JDD needs to be in the 40s-50s...Good goalie but a great goalie crop coming out of 2002.
Tukonen feels right.
Most of the picks could be shifted, it feels like but I commend HF for doing this because it is pretty damn hard.
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