Ogopogo said:Why do we have separate men's and women's bathrooms in society? It ain't proper for opposite sexes to get dressed together.
4thLineGoon said:I thought we had seperate bathrooms so I wouldn't have to smell/listen to some girl taking a nasty dump, which would cause me to be unable to ever have sex with her.
RedK said:I'm with Canadahockeygirl. I'm a female player. I've been on teams where I've changed with my male teammates, and I've been on teams where we were separate. It's never been a big deal when I want to change with the guys. Changing away from them makes it very difficult to be a full part of the team.
As for the risks, if your team is going to focus and bond around sex, they are going to do it no matter who is in the locker room or where the female player is. Will she have to ride to the game in a separate car so she won't be the only girl on the bus with them? Not attend team functions so she won't be the only girl?
Girls and women take risks merely by existing. There's nothing we can do to make ourselves completely safe from ****, assault, harrassment, theft, murder or anything else. But if a girl has to worry about this sort of stuff from her teammates, then the team has a whole lot bigger problems than whether there is a girl changing on the bench next to you.
La-La-Laprise said:What people are missing is it DOES NOT MATTER how comfortable a woman is in the guys change room. If guys were comfortable in the womens change rooms would we be allowed in? Hell no.
Having a girl in the guys change rooms makes some guys nervous. You dont know where that fine line is and how the girl will re-act. 20 guys in a change room act differently than 20 guys and 1 girl. Girls will dispute this but they have never been in the room when girls arent present. If you think a hockey locker room is bad when a girl is in the room, multipy that by 5 and thats how it is when its all guys.
There are Male and Female restrooms for a reason.
Oh there are definitely a bunch of lesbians on the female hockey teams I've played on. I think the last team I played on, only five (six if you include me) were not lesbians. However, on my HS team, only three were.CornKicker said:It could definetly be that way in europe or overseas but I know for a fact that 17 of 23 girls on my local college team were lesbians. They are very open and honest about it and a friend of mine (one of the 6 not lesbians) said they were very crude and nasty. And just when dudes think "yes hot lesbians" you are quickly assured that these are not of the hot variety but the " Hey is that your little brother? Ohhh my bad, thats Suzy from the hockey team" "when did she shave a buzz cut and start wearing army pants"
Moreover, do you think most girls would really want to be the only the girl in the locker room? I doubt it....
What people are missing is it DOES NOT MATTER how comfortable a woman is in the guys change room. If guys were comfortable in the womens change rooms would we be allowed in? Hell no.
No doubt. Playing High School hockey was one of the most vulgar things I've experienced lol. With rich kids spouting their mouths when daddy and mommy weren't around it was a different type of say atmosphere. Name calling, inappropriate actions, all that jazz. I don't know how other types of leagues and teams would act with a girl around, but even with a toned down lockerroom version I'd have to call the parent's morons if they let their daughter be around that environment. I know for damn sure I wouldn't let mine or won't when the time comes.
OilerNut said:http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawa....html?id=2aa28604-33b0-4d73-951f-1e5d56eb62f4
Basically what the story says is that the daughters mother feels as though her daughter should be allowed to be in the same dressing room as the guys.
I think its complete ********, I happen to play rec hockey and after and before the game there are guys walking around the locker room nude, showering, getting changed, etc. How can you feel comfortable doing that when there are girls in there as well?
Air said:Well, sort of. (Read on)
I just want to point out that a lot of this is happening in the NHL. Sort of. Female reporters and journalists are allowed in dressing rooms, where players are just coming from the shower and barely dressed. (Remember that video a while ago of some guy being interviewed while his teammate was showering naked in the background?) I know it's not the same thing because journalists aren't getting naked, but it's still equally as embarrassing for the girls because these are, after all, bucknaked athletes.
Any? That's quite presumptuous. No, very.La-La-Laprise said:And ask any of those female reporters and they will tell you they are uncomfortable to be in that position and they get harassed.
Holly Gunning said:Any? That's quite presumptuous. No, very.
I do both things under discussion here, reporting in the locker room, and dressing with my team. Neither are as big of a deal as all of you are making them. Amongst adults at least, which is what I can speak to.
I do prefer the player I am writing a feature on to shower, dress and come into the hallway to talk to me, but mostly because then we are in a quieter place, and can take more time talking. Locker rooms are loud and busy and not conducive to any good conversation. But I have less pressing deadlines than most reporters, so I have that luxury.
I play rec hockey on a mostly men's team. Of course I dress with them, the locker room is assigned to the team, not to the men on the team. Half the fun of playing hockey is the friends you make. I wouldn't miss it.
Now, of course I'm an adult dealing with adults. It's no problem. Teenagers, I would agree are a completely different animal. But forcing someone to dress in the hall is crap, that's for sure. Until there is equal space for everyone, there may not be a way around having everyone on the team dress in the same place.
canadahockeygirl said:Either that or you're so woman-like yourselves that you couldn't handle the "traumas" of the locker room despite being the same gender as what you're changing in.
Balej's Dance said:I dont know what kind of a butch, manly woman you're pretending to be but its not about "handling" anything. Anyone who likes hockey would put up with some pretty bad things to play the game they love. Its about subjecting women to this nature of the mens lockerroom. Its not ladylike and feminine to have a woman cursing and jerking around with the guys no matter what you say you're comfortable with. Nor is it right to have a women there listening in and getting that junk thrown around in front of her. There's a place for women and thats not one of them MO. It shouldn't be about pretending to be one of the guys.
Either way you cut it, that was a poor attempt at making fun of guys who are trying to shed light and make sure little girls aren't put in a situation that could be harmful.
GagneOwnsYou said:The argument that if women can play with men then men sshould be able to play with women is laughable. There is simply nowhere else for an average female hockey player to play if she wishes to move to a different level of competition. Whereas men who need to take a step down can simply slide into a beer league or low level hockey, not switch into women`s hockey.
kingsfan said:And as for there being no where else for an average female player to go, maybe that average female player should stick around to help develop the women's game rather than jump to the men's league. It's one thing if you want to do it so as to make a career out of it and make a living, like Wickenheiser did when she tried played in Europe a while back, but if we are talking 14-year-olds, try and help the women's game by playing with other women and helping them improve their game rather than jumping ship to the men.