Hockey Diversity Alliance formed by active and retired NHL players

[LadyStanley]

Striking back at today's headline grabbing moments.


Note: I don't want this to become a political thread, there's another forum for that.

I'm trying to get a discussion going on how this can/will impact the NHL from expanding fan base, growing hockey involvement, more MSM appeal/involvement; slanting at business focus.

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[LadyStanley]

https://www.si.com/nhl/2020/06/06/kim-davis-nhl-inclusivity-racism-hockey

Meanwhile, the league has been working on somethings.

Kim Davis with THN.

Well, it’s not new—it’s the work we talked about in December and the efforts that have been consistently under way over the past five months to execute against those efforts. We have now pulled together, and will be ready to announce in the next couple weeks, the formation of the Executive Inclusion Council. It will be made up of five owners, five presidents and two general managers. And those invitations have been accepted by these leaders.

That council is going to be supported by the voices of three constituent groups: a players’ committee that’s going to be made up of current and former players, including female players, that will bring voices to their particular issues; a youth advisory board that will bring voices to parents in the system as well as youth leaders; and a fan inclusion committee that will help us understand how to make our sport more welcoming from a fan perspective. So those committees will bring recommendations to this executive council for execution and accountability.

All positive options, if change happens

 

[LadyStanley]

And not just the locker room, but also the press box

 

[LadyStanley]

Paywall. Another look at how a few players, including King Clancy winner Dumba came together to start the conversation.

 

[Northerner]

Not one American player among the "founders". I wonder if they don't see this racism that the founders claim is all around this sport?

 

[sh724]

Not one American player among the "founders". I wonder if they don't see this racism that the founders claim is all around this sport?

Your conclusion is based on something that is completely irrelevant to the conclusion you are drawing. There are far more minority NHL players from Canada than the US. Additionally, in the US for a minority to make the NHL there is about a 99.9% chance they grew up in an middle class family or higher.

There is less than 10 current players in the NHL from the US with any African heritage and everyone of them has a caucasian parent. Several of them have only been in the league a year or two. There is not exactly a lot to choose from to be a "founder".

Youth hockey in Canada is much more economically diverse than in the US, there is no debating this it is a fact. We also know the average US hockey fan is wealthier than the average fan of the other major sports, again facts. Socioeconomically we know the lower someone's economic worth the higher the chances they are going to have racist tendencies. Poor minorities are much more likely to be subject to racism than non poor minorities. Based on all of these facts, its very easy to surmise the average Canadian minority hockey player has been subjected to racism around hockey at a much higher rate than the average US minority hockey player.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Your conclusion is based on something that is completely irrelevant to the conclusion you are drawing. There are far more minority NHL players from Canada than the US. Additionally, in the US for a minority to make the NHL there is about a 99.9% chance they grew up in an middle class family or higher.

There is less than 10 current players in the NHL from the US with any African heritage and everyone of them has a caucasian parent. Several of them have only been in the league a year or two. There is not exactly a lot to choose from to be a "founder".

Youth hockey in Canada is much more economically diverse than in the US, there is no debating this it is a fact. We also know the average US hockey fan is wealthier than the average fan of the other major sports, again facts. Socioeconomically we know the lower someone's economic worth the higher the chances they are going to have racist tendencies. Poor minorities are much more likely to be subject to racism than non poor minorities. Based on all of these facts, its very easy to surmise the average Canadian minority hockey player has been subjected to racism around hockey at a much higher rate than the average US minority hockey player.

Beyond that, we have no reason to think American players were actively excluded. This like making an issue of why none of the founders have long hair or a name that starts with L. Why? Because random coincidence, that’s why.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Not one American player among the "founders". I wonder if they don't see this racism that the founders claim is all around this sport?

Weird f***ing bump to add this "information".

 

[Northerner]

Weird f***ing bump to add this "information".

Why was my post deleted in the 26 page thread? There were far more egregious posts in that thread than mine.


What are you afraid of? A dissenting opinion to the HDA?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

There is a 26 page thread on the HDA extorting the NHL for $100M.


I am pretty sure I saw you had posted in that thread, so I would imagine you know which thread I am talking about. It has since been locked. Quite a few posts of a political nature in that thread. I simply made a couple posts that went against HDA orthodoxy and they were scrubbed and the thread was locked.

Just checked - I've never deleted a post of yours in my life.

I'll stand by my original remark this morning about how usually five-month-old thread bumps are a bit more interesting than what you offered.

 

[ForumNamePending]

Why was my post deleted in the 26 page thread? There were far more egregious posts in that thread than mine.


What are you afraid of? A dissenting opinion to the HDA?

lolwut... Given that a majority of the posts and posters in the thread were critical of the HDA I don't think anyone is afraid of your "dissenting" opinion. Perhaps the mods just didn't feel like going back to babysitting a thread that had run its course and been dormant for months because you felt the need to bump it for the sake of offering up a shallow take as some sort of gotcha?

 

[Northerner]

lolwut... Given that a majority of the posts and posters in the thread were critical of the HDA I don't think anyone is afraid of your "dissenting" opinion. Perhaps the mods just didn't feel like going back to babysitting a thread that had run its course and been dormant for months because you felt the need to bump it for the sake of offering up a shallow take as some sort of gotcha?

Why I bumped these threads is Dumba was in the news here in the TC the other day.


I find this HDA deplorable, in that it seeks to divide, not unite. I also find it deplorable that they are trying to extort $100M from the NHL just because they formed some sort of group out of thin air.

 

[Major4Boarding]

@Northerner

Just a head's up. Typically, an old thread with no activity over some time is best left that way. Unless there's something of significant importance. Usually, something greater than significant warrants its own thread. Now, using your two posts above, I'll try to break down the difference.

Reviving a thread with an observation or opinion that old is generally not well received. You probably stood a better chance with the "Dumba was in the news here in the TC the other day" route. What was he in the news for?

Now, with that said (and not picking on you specifically - just taking the opportunity), the following is more of a PSA. It's kinda been happening a bit more than in the past lately

It's generally not a good idea to try to find safe harbor here if a parallel thread over on the mains has been closed, or has flatlined for some time.

 

[Northerner]

Your conclusion is based on something that is completely irrelevant to the conclusion you are drawing. There are far more minority NHL players from Canada than the US. Additionally, in the US for a minority to make the NHL there is about a 99.9% chance they grew up in an middle class family or higher.

There is less than 10 current players in the NHL from the US with any African heritage and everyone of them has a caucasian parent. Several of them have only been in the league a year or two. There is not exactly a lot to choose from to be a "founder".

Youth hockey in Canada is much more economically diverse than in the US, there is no debating this it is a fact. We also know the average US hockey fan is wealthier than the average fan of the other major sports, again facts. Socioeconomically we know the lower someone's economic worth the higher the chances they are going to have racist tendencies. Poor minorities are much more likely to be subject to racism than non poor minorities. Based on all of these facts, its very easy to surmise the average Canadian minority hockey player has been subjected to racism around hockey at a much higher rate than the average US minority hockey player.

I never saw much (if any - none that I can ever recall) playing the game here against any minorities I grew up playing against, and I did play against them here. I also call bull---- on the idea that Canada is more racist than America (if either of them are "racist" at all when it comes to the game of hockey. I think Dumba is creating a problem that doesn't exist. If Greenway thought this was an epidemic of some sort, I feel like he also would have said something, but he's said nothing.

I grew up in the inner city. TONS of poor (or less fortunate) white kids can't afford to play the game. I have friends that didn't play the game because they couldn't afford it.

Why does Dumba have a hockey camp that apparently is only minority-friendly? My friends could have been great hockey players, as they were great athletes in other sports. But to hell with them right? Because they're not the right color? What kind of message is Dumba and this HDA thing trying to send?

@Northerner

Reviving a thread with an observation or opinion that old is generally not well received. You probably stood a better chance with the "Dumba was in the news here in the TC the other day" route. What was he in the news for? .

Dumba was in the news because of this HDA thing. He was just now in the news again for some minorities-only (it appeared) hockey camp.

I didn't think it merited a new thread - nor do I want to jam up the forum (I wasn't even aware that the other thread and this one were in different forums) with redundant threads.

 

[sh724]

I never saw much (if any - none that I can ever recall) playing the game here against any minorities I grew up playing against, and I did play against them here. I also call bull---- on the idea that Canada is more racist than America (if either of them are "racist" at all when it comes to the game of hockey. I think Dumba is creating a problem that doesn't exist. If Greenway thought this was an epidemic of some sort, I feel like he also would have said something, but he's said nothing.

I grew up in the inner city. TONS of poor (or less fortunate) white kids can't afford to play the game. I have friends that didn't play the game because they couldn't afford it.

Why does Dumba have a hockey camp that apparently is only minority-friendly? My friends could have been great hockey players, as they were great athletes in other sports. But to hell with them right? Because they're not the right color? What kind of message is Dumba and this HDA thing trying to send?

You not seeing racism, or recognizing something you saw as racist, doesnt negate the experiences of many other people.

You are calling "bull----" on something that was never said. If we are going to make things up just to refute them this might take a while.

I wont speculate on the thoughts of Greenway or any other player. This is the business of hockey section, not the psychology section.

Yea, as i stated hockey is skewed towards those who are more economically positioned.

Again I won't speculate on why Dumba, or anyone else, does what he does

 

[ForumNamePending]

...I think Dumba is creating a problem that doesn't exist. If Greenway thought this was an epidemic of some sort, I feel like he also would have said something, but he's said nothing...

Not sure how Greenway staying out of the fray invalidates what other minority players have experienced while involved in the sport. I mean you don't even have to look very long or hard to find documented incidents of racial bigotry and ignorance in hockey... This stuff has clearly happened regardless of if Greenway has anything to say about it or not.

Why does Dumba have a hockey camp that apparently is only minority-friendly?

Interesting choice of words. Would you prefer Dumba have a camp that is minority-unfriendly? Seriously though...

My friends could have been great hockey players, as they were great athletes in other sports. But to hell with them right? Because they're not the right color? What kind of message is Dumba and this HDA thing trying to send?

Dumba was in the news because of this HDA thing. He was just now in the news again for some minorities-only (it appeared) hockey camp.

I had to scour the internet for ~30 seconds to find a news article containing the below quote from Dumba himself regarding his camp, so it would seem your assumption that he's running a "no whites allowed" hockey camp is incorrect.

“It will be super cool to see just the diversity amongst our group — white, Black, Hispanic kids, inner-city kids,” he said.

“That’s where you can make the most change for the next generation of young hockey players, young leaders in our game. Having a camp like mine with as much inclusivity and diversity involved in it as there’s going to be is something special, something hockey’s really never seen before.”

I didn't think it merited a new thread - nor do I want to jam up the forum (I wasn't even aware that the other thread and this one were in different forums) with redundant threads.

So you've bumped two threads, that had laid dormant for months, to complain about something that doesn't even appear to be true. Perhaps consider dialing down your own grievances and martyrdom regarding the issue?