Discussion in 'Fugu's Business of Hockey Forum' started by LadyStanley, Jan 4, 2011.
Yeah, Canada beating the crap out of the US in exhibition games would really be great for promoting the game in the US
Watching Canada defeat the Americans is always a glorious spectacle to behold, but an annual tournament with all of the different national Canada/US teams playing each other might be a little bit of overkill, and might take away some of the anticipation and tension that you get when watching events like the Olympics or, to use a more recent example, the World Juniors.
I think people aren't getting the concept. You don't hold another tournament, it's just a cumulative of all of the existing Canada vs US matchups that already happen each year (U20, U18, World Championships, Womens, etc).
Neat idea, but as an American fan I have zero hope that we would ever win this.
What about a junior Super Series like the one between Canada and Russia a few year ago (except USA + Canada obviously)
Under that formula that would be a best-of-5 (World Juniors, U18 men and women as well as the senior Worlds, men and women)
Does anyone know if the USA has ever won this best-of-5 in the past? If not, it seems like a waste of time to track it...
Yeah, no. Helping the Canadian psyche isnt on the list of priorities, sorry.
2009. The US won both women's senior and U18 worlds, as well as men's U18.
Interesting. Are you sure the US won the women's senior that year?
Luckily there was a US/Canada matchup during each of the tournaments that year -- what if there hadn't been? Seems like basing this on tournament play relies heavily on luck of the draw....
Isn't there supposed to be a World Cup this year?
How about giving that a shot in the arm and organizing it and promoting it. I don't think the American public really cares about kids/girls playing hockey, but watching the big boys play, yes.
The only thing this would help is Canada's national self worth, which seems entirely tied to beating us in hockey. I'm not sure it would get much more interest in the US than the World Championships do.
How much of a rivalry is there as far as fans go when in a US city about 16,000 of the 18,690 fans were Canadians?
This has to be a tournament setup...if it is based on the results of contests that regularly happen throughout the year....we could make this thing up right now right here. You wouldn't need anyone else involved or in agreement.
This seems to be a way to sell tickets to Canada vs. USA instead of selling tickets to 'Semi-Final Game A' (or whatever they call it) and rolling the dice on who the two teams will be.
I don't like the idea of 'cashing in' on a rivalry that has just recently been established. Besides....we play each other enough. Also, the World Junior tournament is apparently going to be in a US border city or Canadian city more than half the time....so we can enjoy this rivalry at reasonable hours every year. No need to create some gimmicky way to quickly destroy the rivalry by making it repetitive.
Just set up a points system for medals/placings - say, 3-2-1 for G-B-S, so any one tournament doesn't have an overwhelming influence on the total.
Using that, the results for the last three years (Women's junior tournament only started in 2008) would be:
2010: USA 12, Canada 11
2009: USA 9, Canada 9
2008: Canada 12, USA 7
That includes the 2010 Olympics, and each year's World Championships, WJC, Men's U-18, Women's WC, and Women's U-18. Looks pretty even to me.
What about Womens U-22? Sledge Hockey? World U-17?
Canada-US is already pretty thoroughly played out in international hockey, making up an event specifically to exploit it feels a bit artificial.
I would prefer the NHL players to continue to go to the olympics instead of this.
Here's my idea....off the top of my head so feel free to ridicule it.
During the summer have a USA vs. Canada best of 5 series. Could be every year or every other year or whatever.
1st year - Games 1, 3 & 5 are held in a US location (or 3 different locations), Games 2 & 4 are held in a Canadian location (or 2 different locations)
2nd year - Games 1, 3 & 5 are held in a Canadian location (or 3 different locations), Games 2 & 4 are held in a US location (or 2 different locations)
3rd year - repeat 1st year and so on
Now...the teams are made up of 20 players. 12 forwards, 6 defense, 2 goalies. Logistics of replacements for injuries and stuff would need to be figured out, can't be bothered figuring it out myself.
- 3 NHLers
- 3 Minor Leaguers
- 3 Junior/College
- 2 Women
- 1 Amateur
- 2 NHLers
- 2 Minor Leaguers
- 2 Junior/College
- 1 NHLer
- 1 Other (female, junior/college, minor leaguer, amateur, etc.)
Thoughts? I figure this way it gives a broad spectrum of both country's talents and only requires 6 NHLers to commit. I thought it could also be neat to see Junior players or Women paired on a line with NHLers. As well as an Amateur player being selected to play on the team could create some contests in each country to be on the team, I bet the CBC would put on a 3 or 4 part reality show about a contest like this.
Honestly it surprises me that it's so even.
But it can't end in a tie, can it? Shouldn't we have a shootout?
Bad idea. The Americans might get confused and pull out all the guns they have concealed in their hockey bags.
Not only that, they'll have to pay out-of-pocket for their hospital bills afterward!
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