Hockey Arena XIX - Vagrant is the King!

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    Previous Threads:
    Part I - 12/05-12/07 - 104 Page Monster that started it all.
    Part II - 12/07-2/08
    Part III - 2/08-5/08
    Part IV - 5/08-6/08
    Part V - 6/08-7/08
    Part VI - 7/08-9/08
    Part VII - 9/08-11/08
    Part VIII - 11/08-12/08
    Part IX - 12/08-2/09 - We reached 10K posts in this one:amazed:
    Part X - 2/09/-4/09 - Mallard got two good pulls at once!
    Part XI - 4/09-6/09
    Part XII - 6/24-10/15
    Part XIII - 10/05-2/17
    Part XIV - 2/17 - 5/16 - These Roman numerals are getting ridiculous.
    Part XV - 5/16 - 8/23 - Let's Rebuild Something Together
    Part XVI - 8/23 - 3/21 - Luck Runs Out?
    Part XVII - 3/21 - 12/16 - Moving on Up to the East Side
    Part XVIII - 12/16 - 9/12 - Atomics win NC and reach Semis of NCHC:nod:



    Interesting Links
    HA-Tools - this is a nice way to get more information about your team as well as all of the teams in your league. Updated every few days. (created by react|HA)
    HA-Extra - This FIREFOX add-on puts HA-Tools links right into the hockey arena web pages. It'll add one to team pages to see individual teams, one to your calendar to do a comparison with that opponent, and one to your league standings to do a league wide comparison. (created by Lamma|MOD *retired from HA*)
    HA Player Database - You can search for any range of players from any country. Particularly useful for National Team managers. Reminiscent of HA Statistiky(loved that site), but not as good.
    Q/P Checker - If you've scouted one of your players and want to sell them, you can use this handy tool to see the unscouted values that everyone else would see. Use the player's ID#, found next to their name on their player page.
    League Comparison Tool - Brought to you by the same people who did the Q/P Checker. Similar to HA Tools, but you need to manually enter team ID numbers. Not as good as HATools, but they are working on it.
    NHL Players - Tomson's team of NHL players (feat. Joe Sakic v1; Joe Sakic v2 is on Colorado Avalanche)
    Chris Chelios - Every hockey game needs its Chelios

    A Word About Scouting
    I figured I should add this since NHL33 insists on spreading bad information.

    For players on your team:
    Unscouted 17yo shows ?Q/?P and blank loyalty.
    Scouted 17yo shows Q/P and ?+/-.
    Unscouted 18yo shows Q/?P and ?+/-.
    Scouted 18yo and above shows everything.
    At 20yo, an unscouted player will show their real loyalty.
    At 22yo, an unscouted player will show their real P.

    Scouting players on other teams gives you the real Q/P, but only the ?+/- loyalty.
    At 29yo, every player's Q/P are revealed for everyone without scouting. You would have to scout for ?+/- loyalty, but who cares at that point.

    Sometimes you will see someone asking for a Q/P check. This is because a scouted player can show wildly different unscouted ?Q/?Ps to the other members. This is usually for 18/19yo youth pulls and train & sells. At 18/19yo, a youth pull comes with their scouted Q. If you get a guy with 85Q and he's showing ?99Q, then you can probably sell that guy for a large chunk of change (depending on AI & potential, of course). Not everyone scouts a player before spending millions of dollars.

    These unscouted ?Q/?Ps stay the same for the current season. They will change when the new season starts.

    Everyone sees the same ?Q/?P for 17yo players unless they scout them. If you pull a 17yo showing ?85/?95, then everyone else will see him as ?85/?95.

    How Good Is Your Player?
    by Forsbergwannabe

    Generally speaking a max-1 player with 90+ Q, who reaches 100 ai early in his 19th year will break 350 ai, unless very unlucky with injuries.
    It is important to note that max-2 players training decline at the age of 24 vs 25 for max-1 and max players, which costs them about 10 ai that year alone often.

    Example of an 92-93 Q max-1´s average training based on my own players:
    Age 19: 50% = 35 ai
    Age 20: 50% = 35 ai
    Age 21: 42% = 29,4 ai
    Age 22: 42% = 29,4 ai
    Age 23: 42% = 29,4 ai
    Age 24: 42% = 29,4 ai
    Age 25: 27% = 18,9 ai
    age 26: 22% = 15,4 ai
    It drops about 3 percent every year at the age of 27 and onwards.

    Total = 221,9 ai gained through 19 to 26, but more or less injuries/national team etc can make these numbers differ abit, but I hope people get the picture.
    Then with max-2:
    Age 19 to 23 is identical
    Age 24: 26% = 18,2 ai
    Age 25: 24% = 16,8 ai
    Age 26: 20% = 14 ai

    Like I said these numbers are based on my own players, but they should serve as a rough guideline.

    Maximum Points Per Attribute
    by Forsbergwannabe

    I havent played PPM, but in HA there is definitely some sort of diminishing return on secondaries. The practical max skill is 1.5 x the players quality, but only attack, shot and defense should ever be close to that max imo. (He means a player with 100Q will lose training if you continue to train an attribute past 150) Based on my experience the below templates serve as a rough guide for the effectively max skill level on any ai player.

    Goaltender: 150 speed, 150 goalie, 30 passing,25 self control.
    Defense: 45 speed, 60 str, 30 self control, 40 passing, 35 shot, 20 attack, 150 defense.
    Center: 20 speed, 40 str, 30 self control, 70 passing, 150 shot, 150 attack, 0 defense.
    Wing: 35 speed, 10 str, 30 self control, 40 passing, 150 shot, 150 attack, 0 defense.

    Not that I would recommend going 150 shot on a center, since they generally have fewer shots then wings and they desperatly need the ai for passing. (This doesn't mean ideal players need these Maximums to be their best. This is just the maximum that he would train each attribute. Although I don wonder if anyone has trained a goalie with 70 passing. Or wingers with 60 speed.)
     
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  2. tujague Registered User

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    We have another newbie guide from kdunbar. It covers a lot of the same stuff as NHL's, but it's got numbers!
    "THE CANADIAN NEWBIE LIST"

    A few words / warnings / for new guys ...

    1) Many of your players have temporary free contracts. They will be automatically signed within a week. (Don't worry about it.)

    2) Don't spend too much more than 100K until you are more comfortable with the game's economics. You start with 3 M, but this disappears fast and comes back slow. It's easy to overspend when an auction heats up. Give yourself a limit.

    3) Building your Training / Regeneration / Youth School / Marketing to 20% right away. There are bonus on multiples of twenty. Consider Training and Regeneration to be equal and opposite, they don't really do anything different from one another. It's difficult to see at first, but just build them evenly and figure it out later. Assuming that your Training and Regeneration are equal, set your "Training Intensity" to 85%. More decreases your player's energy, less wastes training. Set training schedules immediately, never let your players idle for even one day and lose that training.

    4) Don't add seats until you begin to sell out many league games. When you do decide to add seats, (many sell outs in a row, ticket price is above league average, etc...) build it in an increment that will have the purchased seats available for your next home game (not a friendly).

    5) You get roughly 7M every Wednesday from fans. This is all that keeps your team afloat for awhile. As such, don't panic if you go into the negative balances - you can go as low as -15 M but with no available money but you might miss out on a good buy on the market or other opportunity. Again, wait until you better understand the economics.

    6) With that being said, you will be able to find players for 100K who will become immediate starters. Check out the market either way, and get to know it. Also, don't fire anyone with 60 Quality or more without trying to sell them on the market.

    7) Quality - Arguably the single most important stat a player has. It's how fast a player improves. Make sure your best quality players are playing, these players will be your stars in five seasons.

    8) Potential - The longevity of your players. Your players lose approximately 6 potential points a year, and once they hit 0, they stop gaining skills. They also go beyond zero and start getting worse. (94 - 88 - 82 - 76 - 71 - 65 - 59 - 53 - 47 - 41 - 35 - 29 - 24 - 18 - 12 - 6 - 0 - -6 - -12 etc...)

    Age-MAX-MIN Potential
    17 = 94 = 59
    18 = 88 = 53
    19 = 82 = 47
    20 = 76 = 41
    21 = 71 = 35
    22 = 65 = 29
    23 = 59 = 24
    24 = 53 = 18
    25 = 47 = 12
    26 = 41 = 6
    27 = 35 = 0
    28 = 29 = -6
    29 = 24 = -12
    30 = 18 = -18
    31 = 12 = -24
    32 = 6 = -29
    33 = 0 = -35

    9) Scouting - All your players "actually" have one of these values for potential. If you look though your players though, you'll see all kinds of numbers, falling in between these numbers. This is because your scouts haven't sized up the player yet. You learn the player's exact quality at 18 and potential at 22. Until then, your scouts make a guess. Under Team -> Scout you can choose a player to learn their exact value. This is important, players can be off by as much as 20%.

    10) example A player with 90 Q and 60 P player compared with a player with 60 Q and 90 P with the same AI stats. The 90 Q guy will reach a higher AI level, but the 90 P guy will be around 5 seasons longer.

    11) Book up all free days with friendlies to help with the cash flow. If possible, try to book away/visiting friendlies against high league opponents (I.I II.1 II.2). They have better stadiums than you and will make more money per game. Friendly income is split between the two teams.

    12) Read and ask lots of questions! We'll help you out.

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    This is a guide from someone who doesn't post here. I thought it was filled with some interesting info, and he seems to go into more detail than the other two. It's a huge block of text right now. Hopefully I add some paragraphs to make it a bit easier to read.

     
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    9/12/12 - THIS NEEDS TO BE UPDATED BIG TIME!

    Hockey's Future HockeyArena.net Players


    Canada
    ~~ I ~~
    nashnaidoo (aka tychaeus) - Cremona Titans - I.1
    Tarmore|LDR - Blue Knights - I.1

    ~~ II ~~
    AndySocial - White Crystals - V.5Almost Dead


    ~~ III ~~
    Shane (aka butchmoniker) - Don't Cry for me Jan Hrdina - III.2
    Megalinsky - HC Soju - III.3


    ~~ IV ~~
    thecupismine - Fresh Prince - IV.2
    Leafer|MOD - Brampton Bandits (Part II) - IV.4
    Temm - Calgary Wire Flyers - IV.4
    Montrealer - Saint Hubert Saints - IV.7

    ~~ V ~~
    FreeAgents - Malvern HC - V.5
    RW8 - Oakville Rangers - V.7
    Cao - LoveBunnies - V.8
    e-Mac - Medicine Hat Reapers - V.9
    robotco - Temptation Meow - V.10
    Ashe (aka AsheKaban) - Red Coat Killers - V.12


    Croatia
    ~~ III ~~
    mpozega - ★ HK Dubrava Penguins ★ - III.3

    ~~ IV ~~
    croAvsfan (aka ciciban) - Zagreb Messerschmitts - IV.6


    Denmark
    ~~ I ~~
    Forsbergwannabe - Dark Hops - I.1 Two-time Champion


    Finland
    ~~ II ~~
    Frozen (aka Janizor) - Forbidden Finns - II.2

    ~~ IV ~~
    Muddy - Canes - IV.5

    ~~ V ~~
    Simah - HC Hipot - V.9
    Phinor - Walrusian Candidates - V.10


    Great Britain
    ~~ III ~~
    Wicksy|NAT - Solihull Wolves - III.1


    Netherlands
    ~~ II ~~


    Slovakia
    ~~ IV ~~
    MadArcand (aka silverbow) - Hartford Whalers tm - VII.21


    USA
    ~~ I ~~
    Snowman - Righteous Ones - I.1 congrats!
    NHL33 - Starlight - I.1 My hero

    ~~ II ~~
    njdevscup30- Ugliest Cows Ever - II.1
    tujague - Bombsville Atomics -II.1
    calvnnhobs - Rockridge Onions - II.2
    Horsehouse - Never Summer HC - II.2
    ez42x10 - Worcester Bruins - II.2

    ~~ III ~~
    Smetana - HC Victoria Hornets - III.1 *I.1*
    Chairman Mallard (aka UofoDucks15|NAT) - Tobias Funkes Never Nudes - III.1 U20 S.33-34 & 35-36 NT S.40-41
    steelcable97 - Demolitia Totalus - III.1 *I.1*
    GirouxGiroux - Airdrie Inferno - III.1
    And You Feel Shame (aka ronvogel) - And You Feel Shame - III.1
    Rune Forumwalker (aka Muuro) - Mainlanders - III.1
    tgarrett29 - Frito Banditos - III.1
    Acadmus (aka Crusher C) - Vermont Ragin Woodchucks - III.1
    doubleminor138 - Bricklayers - III.1
    Spillblood Maloney - Mobtown Hooligans - III.2
    Vagrant - Raleigh Wolfpack - III.3

    ~~ IV ~~
    braindeadalive (aka Florida) - West Palm Beach Blaze - IV.2
    Miami Panther (aka cmag21) - Miami Matadors - IV.2
    Go For It (aka FlyersFan21) - Pronger Physics - IV.7
    Sabrefan2930 (aka Schweinsteiger) - Buffalo Tropics HC - IV.8

    ~~ V ~~



    Removed List:

    ower13 - Skavenblight Eshin - IV.4[3945]
    WhenInRome - Thunder Chickens - IV.4[22246]
    TKBomber7285 (aka TEK7285) - Flying Pigs - III.3[4001]
    The Indestructible (aka fkohws) - The Indestructible - USA III.3[40574]
    jax00 (aka DucksRule00) - Razor Scooters & Go Tarts - III.1[19248] US NT Manager S.32-35
    hluraven - Bromley Ravens - I.1[7362]
    SwimmingMatters - Exceleration - VI.16[44207]
    Tomas Tatar - Surrey Sea Otters V.12[44344]
    19metallica81 (aka Yeti_Guy) - Mississauga Majors - V.3[38451]
    BarDown/Clarke (aka Ranger2992) - Rangerss - III.3[22188]
    feichter- SJ Port City Foghawgs- II.1[36194]


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  4. tujague Registered User

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    This is something relatively new. I've never messed with it, but there are people out there experimenting with some very interesting builds. Some are making actual checking lines and doing quite well with it. mplzen gave Mallard fits with his much stronger team. Took him to 3 games with a couple of teenage goalies. Impressive.

    The leading scorer among defensemen in US I.1 had a wacky build with 70 shot & 70 pass. That's very cool if he can keep scoring like that each season.

    Tactical breakdowns

    PURE DEF
    0,32 x defense + 0,64 x strength + 0,4 x experience
    Max : 150 def, 50 strength, 50 EXP

    OFFENSIVE DEF
    0,35555 x defense + 0,46 x offense + 0,4 x shooting + 0,4 x experience
    Max : 90 defense, 50 offense, 40 shooting, 50 experience

    CREATIVE DEF
    0,284 x defense + 0,565 x passing + 0,24 x speed + 0,4 x experience
    Max : 120 defense, 55 passing, 25 speed, 50 experience

    BLUELINER DEF
    0,272 x defense + 0,44 x shooting + 0,66 x passing + 0,4 experience
    Max : 100 defense, 60 shooting, 40 passing, 50 experience

    SPEEDY DEF
    0,2285 x defense + 0,8 speed + 0,4 x experience
    Max : 140 defense, 60 speed, 50 experience






    PLAYMAKER OFF
    0,314 x offense + 0,65 x passing + 0,5 x strength + 0,4 x experience
    Max : 140 offense, 40 passing, 20 strength, 50 experience

    CREATIVE OFF
    0,4 x offense + 0,4 x passing + 0,4 x speed + 0,4 x experience
    Max : 80 offense, 80 passing, 40 speed, 50 experience

    POWER OFF
    0,247 x offense + 0,685 x strength + 0,4 x experience
    Max : 130 offense, 70 strength, 50 experience

    SPEEDY OFF
    0,215 x offense + 0,867 x speed + 0,4 x experience
    Max : 130 offense, 60 speed, 50 experience

    SNIPER OFF
    0,56 x offense + 0,347 x shooting + 0,4 x experience
    Max : 50 offense, 150 shooting, 50 experience
     
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    I offered a 1.5M bonus to win the first game of round 2 on Low:laugh: Up to Heavenly for today's NCHC match. I match up pretty well with my opponent

    Are you going to stick with the homegrown thing again?

    First time back to II since the relaunch of the Bandits?

    That should be fun to watch:) How good is your team, smetana? Will you come in challenging for the title right away?

    Congrats!
     
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    Wow, and I thought I was crazy the few times I offered a 1M win bonus.
     
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    Yup, I'm stubborn like that. And I just might have a young goalie that can help me get it done this time.
     
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    I suppose we'd have to wait and see ;)

    I'm loving my core players, not sure about the goalie. He's getting long in the tooth, and I may need to shell out some bucks for a replacement.
     
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    Everyone with a 6 P or less is gone...

    13.09 - Player Samuel Justice was sold for 17 815 106 to team HC-K Brno.
    13.09 - Player Stewie Perkins was sold for 9 004 070 to team HC Dadák Vsetín.
    13.09 - Player Michael Brownlee was sold for 128 000 000 to team Potraviny Plzen.
    13.09 - Player Jamie Goodrich was sold for 70 987 568 to team Hakkapeliitat.
    13.09 - Player Michael Nickerson was sold for 5 150 000 to team The Reservoir Dogs.
    13.09 - Player Seth Calloway was sold for 30 000 to team Tuusulan Pingviinit.
    13.09 - Player Vernon Friend was sold for 8 240 000 to team Hc Washington Capitals.
     
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    Finally off to II ... I swore I would not post until I finally got out of III
     
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    Looks like I made it to III.2 for the first time, not sure the team is quite ready.
     
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    Congrats tujague, it looks like you locked up a spot in the WL next season. And you get to fight for the I.1 title this season. Best case scenario is you snag a I.1 title and finish 3rd in the NCHC. That would be epic, good luck!

    Also looking at those numbers for the tactical breakdowns, and hearing about the success with using them, makes me want to try an experiment with them with my next few young players. Perhaps making a line with a sniper winger, a playmaker/creative center, and the other winger being either power or speedy.
     
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    Congrats on the promotions, tgarrett and RW8!

    Did anyone check out Ducky? He must have promoted this time, right? Holy crap. 1-1 with the Razorback Thugs. Dude. Come on.

    You are a male chicken. How in the hell can you completely rebuild with homegrown youth after having a completely homegrown team for so long? That seriously wouldn't be possible for me if I had any desire to be competitive.

    Have I mentioned that I'm scared of your team? I have a pretty small window and you breathing down my neck is quite annoying.
     
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    Yeah. Good season so far. But I need to win a title for it to mean anything. I'm kinda pissed about the NCHC semis. Hours before the match, I lowered the win bonus right before the match and switched to 60/60/40 lines times to keep the kids off the ice more. Lost by 1 goal (a bit more bonus would have helped?) and gave up 2 third period goals (probably because my team was tired).

    This is one of the coolest parts about HA. Those people using the new strategies and having success just blows the game wide open, in my opinion. It really makes things exciting again and I can't wait to start replacing some of the old guys and developing players with the new options.
     
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    My team is pretty much entirely home grown save for 3 or 4 players and that number will drop next season when I swap out a couple of aging vets for some youth.

    I'm going to need to look for a young goalie next season, my current one only has a few more seasons left and this will give me time to groom a new one.

    Off to II.1 after a 4-3 OT win. Team took a ridiculous amounts of penalties this game (13), thats the first time all season they've taken anywhere near that many. Couldn't have picked a worse time to do it too hahahahaha
     
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    My team is pretty much entirely home grown save for 3 or 4 players and that number will drop next season when I swap out a couple of aging vets for some youth.

    I'm going to need to look for a young goalie next season, my current one only has a few more seasons left and this will give me time to groom a new one.

    Off to II.1 after a 4-3 OT win. Team took a ridiculous amounts of penalties this game (13), thats the first time all season they've taken anywhere near that many. Couldn't have picked a worse time to do it too :laugh:
     
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    I played on low, because I didn't want to go for broke on high on the road, and leave TS in shambles for the home game 3. I had the absolute worst possible first round opponent. I would have taken any other team in the league other than smetana or head hog in the first round.

    As it is TS isn't great, but now I can go on high at home in game 3. Either way, Smetana will steamroll me or head hog in the finals.
     
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    Woooo!

    I know it's insignificant to everyone else, but I won a 5 Overtime marathon game today to stretch my League's (IV.3) Consolation playoff series to a third game, which I will likely lose tomorrow.

    My teams always kind of had a knack for these marathon games. Before I stopped playing before, I think I had at least one other 5 Overtime game, and maybe a 4 as well. Oh, the drama.
     
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    A team whose manager hasn't logged in in a month took me to triple-OT in a must-win playout game. I'm not sure entirely what just happened, but III just flashed before my eyes.

    FML, now two of my key players are low on energy and I have another must-win this next game.

    :scared:

    Could have sworn I had this settled, but the guy below me hasn't lost!


    EDIT: I feel like the Cardinals.
     
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    You always say that, and I haven't topped you yet in a playoff series :laugh:

    It doesn't matter, though. Due to the anti-climactic nature of the playoff system, the second round is more important. I'm thrilled to be headed back to the big boys' league.

    The first time around, seven seasons ago, I made it to I.1, but I knew my team was not built to last long there, so i immediately blew it up and dropped back down. This time, I'm built to (hopefully) stay there, and to be competitive.

    Still not sure about the goalie. I've had a long-time policy of not publishing player attributes in these threads, but I'll break that policy to get your opinions. My netmider steamrolled II.1 this season (1.12 GAA, .937 save pct., 31 wins so far). His attributes are GOAL 131, SPEED 75, TOTAL AI 233, EXP 271. But, -12 potential, headed to -18. I'd think his xp total will keep him competitive for at least one more season, but what do you guys think?
     
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    I think the rest of your team is good enough that you should replace him ASAP.
     
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    Yeah I always say it but this time I'm sure of it. Your team is better for probably the first time. The other times we were at least even I'd say. You dominated all season long, and my TS is in far worse shape assuming I win than it has been in all of our previous championship series. I just hope I can pull out the win today. Motivation for the match is saying 98%, so I should at least have a shot.
     
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    I don't know how you guys do it. I couldn't do it years ago when my YS was good and I had lower standards. The YS has been a lot better lately. No studs, but certainly useful players if you love love love strength. I still coudn't field a whole team of youth pulls. I pretty much keep any decent (and some less than decent) as my train & sells because I'm too lazy to go on the market anymore. I've only had a handful reach 200AI before they're 25yo in the last 10-15 seasons.

    I've had the top goalie in I.1 for two seasons running:nod: He dominated last season, but I didn't even notice it this season. He was in 4th or 5th most of the time. I benched him the last two games so Muuro could abuse my inexperienced backup (oops!). Everyone else must have sucked. Anyway. His stats:
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    29yo 301AI 191Exp

    Get a new goalie asap. Exp obviously isn't as important as we thought.
     
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    Like I said, stubborn. I'm not really going to be competitive for a few more seasons now though. I figure I'll probably drop down to a III league before I start to turn it around again and my goalie should be pretty decent by then. If I was going to drop the home grown thing, I should have done that 2 or 3 seasons ago and bought a goalie that could have been competitive up in I.1. I may have to drop my standards a bit IRT the players I keep from my youth pulls though - the roster is really thin right now.

    Good luck in the finals - win this thing.
     
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