TV: HF's Top 50 Television Shows: Redux

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  1. Ultima

    Ultima Retired again.

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    It's been four years. Netflix is bigger. Amazon and Hulu are making quality content. What has changed? Is Breaking Bad still in such high regard that it remains #1?

    Wanna do this, people?
     
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    Sure, what's the plan? Submit a top 10?
     
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    Should have a basic list of what should and shouldn't count.
     
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    If you want to, go for it.

    Personally, I've never really understood the value of board-wide consensus polls, and find them a little frustrating. I prefer when everyone just argues about their own opinions rather than determine the victor in a popularity contest.
     
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    RobBrown4PM Pringles?

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    What will be the criteria?
     
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    Sopranos
    Breaking Bad
    All in the Family
    MASH
    The Twilight Zone

    Not sure what the criteria is, but that's my top five :)
     
  9. peate

    peate Good grief!

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    Not bad, I got 3 out of 5, maybe 4 come to think about it. :naughty:
     
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    My top 5:

    Games Of Thrones
    The Sopranos
    Breaking Bad
    Seinfeld
    The Simpsons
     
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    1. The Dekalog
    2. The Wire S1-S4
    3. Monty Python's Flying Circus S1
    4. Cowboy Bebop
    5. The Simpsons S2-S4
    6. The Office UK
    7. Fanny and Alexander
    8. The Twilight Zone
    9. Tatami Galaxy
    10. Freaks and Geeks
    11. Deadwood
    12. Louie
    13. Arrested Development S1-S3
    14. Twin Peaks S1
    15. Atlanta

    For me, television's still got a long way to go before it catches up to the peak quality of movies, IMO.
     
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    1. Community
    2. Parks & Rec
    3. The Simpsons
    4. Sherlock
    5. Frasier
    6. The Office US
    7. The IT Crowd
    8. Always Sunny
    9. Mr. Bean
    10. American Vandal

    oof tough decision to leave Seinfeld and AD off.

    Cheater
     
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    Why? They're structured like a mini-series, and were deliberately created for the medium. The versions I'm talking about are closer to series' than films. If anything, they're unfairly and criminally overlooked as series' because they're more famously associated with films.

    If I'm not mistaken, they both got television runs as well, right?
     
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    yeah would miniseries like those and band of brothers be included or
     
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    Just like the last time we did this, miniseries would be included.

    I kinda jumped the gun here, because I don't really have the time right now, but I wanted to gauge interest.
     
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    So I assume as long as it was made for TV, and it was more than a 1-shot, it's allowed? Anime, cartoons, miniseries, reality, etc all allowed?
     
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    Agreed
     
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    this thread has made me realize how little television I've watched in the last four years. I think the only things I've watched start to finish in that time is Rick and Morty and the new Planet Earths/Blue Planets.
     
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    peate Good grief!

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    Would be more just if it was categorized. Keep Dramas and Comedies separate.
     
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    Off topic pet peeve. Personally, I'll never understand why everyone prefers keeping apples and oranges separate. To me, as long as overall value is the thing being compared, nothing is lost the less in common two things being compared has. If anything, the comparison just becomes more interesting and worth discussing and considering.

    I mean..... what's fun about going down a checklist and assessing the difference in quality of identical components.... and why would we only want to compare things when it's possible to do that? To me, that approach makes the whole process feel kind of soulless and passionless, and I prefer to avoid it even when things are similar.
     
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    It's mostly overhyped ****. And if it's good then it's just good for a few seasons at most minus outliers. Films are better. Even when they aren't great they're better.

    You don't become a slave to them either.
     
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    Agree with the bolded but not necessarily the other stuff.

    Too many modern, critically acclaimed TV dramas just feel like soulless high-production-value vehicles to keep you hooked by cliffhangers, twists, and "pay-off". Television hasn't come anywhere close to catching up to movies yet, IMO.
     
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    Films have a huge advantage in that they get to tell the whole story from start to end in one sitting.

    That being said, every article I've read disagrees with you guys. They all say from the Sopranos to now that TV has become almost or just as good as film. In this forum though only graphic violence shows such as The Wire, Breaking Bad, and Game of Thrones are great. Very sad.

    You remember the bad TV, because you see it for free and commercials. You remember the good films, because of award nominations and shows.

    Look how many comic book films, remakes, and sequels there are. There are hundreds (thousands?) of bad movies every year that you never hear of. Films that instantly die at the box office, films that never go to the box office, small budgets, indies, second and third rate horror films, etc., etc., etc.
     
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    Oh, I actually don't factor in the bad stuff-- it's not worth considering, IMO. I'm just referring to the stuff that deserves critical praise from both mediums.

    While I love some television, I just don't think that the peaks have quite hit that transcendent masterpiece level that dozens and dozens of films have in the past. There's always some compromise, typical TV manipulativeness, commercial considerations, financial/scheduling constraints that hurt the product, focus on intrigue over art, excess bloat from the sheer hours it needs to fill, or dips in quality in early or later seasons, that typically need to be excused, I find. You can count the number of shows that are as masterfully/perfectly crafted as a Kubrick classic on one hand, if there are any at all. Also, good TV only comes from a few sources (independent television isn't much of a thing) so the opportunity and creative freedom is a lot more limited. You're not going to overtake decades of global, independent or massive-budget film culture with HBO alone.

    The Sopranos and The Wire are only a small step into that conversation, and I don't put them in the same stratosphere as movies from my favorite film directors, personally, nor would I consider David Chase or Dave Simon actual artistic geniuses like I would certain filmmakers. Hell, these are arguably the two stronger examples of great television out there, and there are entire seasons of both where people agree that the quality noticeably dips. Beyond that, outside of that brief 2000s golden age, the quality of television has died down. And hell, it was only ever strong in countries like the US/UK to begin with. Searching for foreign television doesn't often have great results, I find. Many countries with great film culture have terrible television culture, because it generally isn't taken as seriously.

    I don't think it's impossible for TV to become as good as film or anything, and I do think it's pushing towards that level of respectability, but we're not there yet, IMO. The medium is still in the process of maturing. I find the types of articles you're referring to be grossly premature. Critically acclaimed pop culture entertainment that the general public is receptive to at the moment has probably shifted from movies to television, but that's about it.

    I would take current release films over current release television, although that's pretty debatable, but when historical peaks are factored in, it gets way more lopsided.
     
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    As someone who has silently used you as a curator in the past, can you please name a few films, Kubrick aside?
     

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