Prospect Info: HFOIL 2020 Prospect Rankings (Poll #14)

[Tobias Kahun]

He definitely is what we need, and I like Maksimov, but the need for him doesn’t make him a better prospect than Marody.

People are sleeping on Marody for no reason other than because he got injured last year. He’s only a year older than Benson and outperformed him in their rookie pro seasons. Benson went 5 and Marody might not even go top 15?




Patrick Maroon was maybe the worst skater I’ve ever seen at the NHL level when he first got called up. Skating is important, but it’s not that black and white

Maroon is still one of the worst skaters in the league.

the guy makes Lucic look fast.

 

[The Nuge]

Maroon is still one of the worst skaters in the league.

the guy makes Lucic look fast.

right. But that hasn’t prevent him from being a 20 goal scorer, or being a contributor on multiple cup winning teams. You don’t have to be a good skater to make it in the NHL. Tavares still gets knocked for his skating ability, and he’s an 80+ point guy

 

[Tobias Kahun]

right. But that hasn’t prevent him from being a 20 goal scorer, or being a contributor on multiple cup winning teams. You don’t have to be a good skater to make it in the NHL. Tavares still gets knocked for his skating ability, and he’s an 80+ point guy

I agree that you don’t need it, but if you don’t have skating you better have lots of other things you do really good.

 

[LTIR]

Konovalov is a 22 year old 5'11 goalie who's coming off a bad year. I'm not sure why people are excited about him. Lagesson is only 2 years older and has shown that he could at least be a #7D with upside to be a regular bottom-pairing guy.

And I'd say the crapshoot starts after the top8, except with Lagesson occupying that spot instead of Konovalov.

Coming off a bad season by what standards?
Was he not a top KHL goalie despite a dip in stats?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Patrick Maroon was maybe the worst skater I’ve ever seen at the NHL level when he first got called up. Skating is important, but it’s not that black and white

I am not talking about technique. I am talking about sheer ability and speed and the ability to play the game at the NHL speed which is far faster than the AHL. Marody simply doesn't have NHL wheels. If he did he would be in the NHL already because he has the talent.

 

[McDNicks17]

I feel like Marody suffers from the same thing that Benson does.

Both are bad skaters, but they also play slow and don't really have any standout skill. A guy like Maroon makes up for his skating by bringing goal-scoring and physicality.

I'd love to be wrong, but both seem destined for Europe where basically every other slow playmaker has ended up.

 

[Zaddy]

Coming off a bad season by what standards?
Was he not a top KHL goalie despite a dip in stats?

No he was not. Not even close. In fact, off all KHL goalies who played at least 25 games last season Konovalov ranks 5th worst.

.912 in svs% is rather bad by KHL standards. To be one of the premier KHL goalies (top15) you need to have at least around .930.

 

[PKSpecialist]

No he was not. Not even close. In fact, off all KHL goalies who played at least 25 games last season Konovalov ranks 5th worst.

.912 in svs% is rather bad by KHL standards. To be one of the premier KHL goalies (top15) you need to have at least around .930.

The thing with all of these prospects outside the top 5(ish) is that they have warts. Konovalov had a subpar season and is a sub 6' tender. Marody, Benson and Beryozkin aren't top notch skaters. McLeod struggles to score and plays a perimeter game. Skinner likely doesn't have the athleticism of an NHL goaltender. Wells has the athleticism but is extremely inconsistent. Safin has the wheels but has struggled with injuries and production. Etc, etc, etc.... We shouldn't write off prospects after one sub par season. There are so many factors to consider, injuries, playing time, usage, team factors... Do you rank prospects based on NHL readiness? Upside? Likeliness to reach said upside? This isn't a science. It's a preference. I think for the first time in a long time we should just be happy that we have prospects that are showing legitimate NHL upside.

 

[Zaddy]

The thing with all of these prospects outside the top 5(ish) is that they have warts. Konovalov had a subpar season and is a sub 6' tender. Marody, Benson and Beryozkin aren't top notch skaters. McLeod struggles to score and plays a perimeter game. Skinner likely doesn't have the athleticism of an NHL goaltender. Wells has the athleticism but is extremely inconsistent. Safin has the wheels but has struggled with injuries and production. Etc, etc, etc.... We shouldn't write off prospects after one sub par season. There are so many factors to consider, injuries, playing time, usage, team factors... Do you rank prospects based on NHL readiness? Upside? Likeliness to reach said upside? This isn't a science. It's a preference. I think for the first time in a long time we should just be happy that we have prospects that are showing legitimate NHL upside.

I mean, my comment about Konovalov was solely in relation to Lagesson. Everyone outside our top8 prospects are extreme longshots, which is basically what I alluded to in my original comment. It's sort of pointless to even have prospect polls this deep into the prospect pool because no one knows if any one these guys will make it, and if so who.

 

[McMozesmadness]

Kesselring for me. He's the only guy left that's in my top 10

So much potential there!

 

[Oilersfan1987]

I still have hope for Maksimov as a prospect. I like what he brings to the team and if our top 6 (hopeful) stays the way it is, it does not matter if he isn't a top 6 as our bottom lines need a boast in scoring. I would be fine with him being another Chiasson with a better shot.

 

[Delicious Pancakes]

I mean, my comment about Konovalov was solely in relation to Lagesson. Everyone outside our top8 prospects are extreme longshots, which is basically what I alluded to in my original comment. It's sort of pointless to even have prospect polls this deep into the prospect pool because no one knows if any one these guys will make it, and if so who.

As it relates to Konovalov I believe somebody posted his stats after MacT was fired and his SV% was .930 if I recall correctly. I think he's worth being excited about but he needs to be signed and come to NA next year. Lagesson is obviously closer to NHL ready and underrated IMO. I think there's enough there he could develop into a defensive minded #4 but should be a decent bet as a bottom pairing player.

You're right though, ranking prospects at this point is somewhat pointless given they all have deficiencies they meed to overcome, and really we're just ranking based on preference and gut feel.

 

[48g90a138pts]

@Llamamoto

Other : Marcus Niemeläinen

Because you still haven't added him to the list

PS you skipped 13 because your superstitious, just admit it...lol

 

[La Bamba]

Just realized Marody is still there. It’s easily him. He struggled with injuries last year, but he’s still only one season removed from his above PPG rookie AHL season

Imo he's gonna be a guy who passes through waivers. His game doesn't translate to the NHL well

 

[KMart27]

As it relates to Konovalov I believe somebody posted his stats after MacT was fired and his SV% was .930 if I recall correctly. I think he's worth being excited about but he needs to be signed and come to NA next year. Lagesson is obviously closer to NHL ready and underrated IMO. I think there's enough there he could develop into a defensive minded #4 but should be a decent bet as a bottom pairing player.

You're right though, ranking prospects at this point is somewhat pointless given they all have deficiencies they meed to overcome, and really we're just ranking based on preference and gut feel.

After MacT his SV% was .917 and then .888 in the playoffs.

 

[DropTheGloves]

If I could I'd put one in the box for Blümel. I think we're all sleeping on him- he's eight months younger than 2018 Avs first round pick Martin Kaut and outscoring him on the same team in the Czech league (small sample size but still impressive). From what I can tell Kaut is on the first line and Blümel the third, playing around 14 minutes a game. He could be an NHL player sooner than we think.

 

[Llamamoto]

@Llamamoto

Other : Marcus Niemeläinen

Because you still haven't added him to the list

PS you skipped 13 because your superstitious, just admit it...lol

I'll add Niemelainen to the next one.

Nah, just lazy haha. Konovalov would have won by a landslide.

Sorry about the wait boys, I was on vacation for the past 2-3 days. The next poll will be up soon.