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Who is the 3rd best goaltender in the NHL?

Poll closed Aug 14, 2019.
  1. Frederik Andersen

    1.6%
  2. Jordan Binnington

    0.8%
  3. Ben Bishop

    5.6%
  4. Sergei Bobrovsky

    27.8%
  5. Corey Crawford

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Devan Dubnyk

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Marc-Andre Fleury

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. John Gibson

    50.0%
  9. Philipp Grubauer

    0.8%
  10. Connor Hellebuyck

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Braden Holtby

    3.2%
  12. Jimmy Howard

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Martin Jones

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Robin Lehner

    0.8%
  15. Henrik Lundqvist

    0.8%
  16. Jakob Markstrom

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  17. Matt Murray

    0.8%
  18. Jonathan Quick

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  19. Tuukka Rask

    7.9%
  20. Pekka Rinne

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. LT Global Moderator

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    RankPlayerAgeTeamCountryWSOGAAS%%
    #1Andrei Vasilevskiy25:bolts[​IMG]3962.40.92527.0%, 64.2% (TB)
    #2Carey Price31:habs[​IMG]3542.49.91827.0%, 35.8%(TB)
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    Crap choices for the top 2.
     
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    I understand you wanted to cut down on polls, but I don’t think many of the Vasi votes were going to go to Price for the #2 goaltender. We saw it many times in the prospects polls.
     
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    Vasi and Price both beat Gibson, though. We can spin this either way and have it be logical.
     
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    yeah but you dont know who the vasi voters would be voting for in poll 2
     
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    I voted Price so i'm happy to see him go in at #2 but - I also think it's fine and fair as is. I get your idea of wanting to do a separate poll - but he's already doing so many polls, and there was a net difference (10 votes) between Gibson and Price in the first poll - and he's also using the same tiebreaking procedures in all other polls for consistency. So I really think it's fine.

    On topic - tempted to go Bob for #3.
     
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    Going to go for Gibson.
     
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    I also take contracts into account, but OP doesn't prefer that in these polls, so based on GSAA, HDGSAA, and SV%, Bobrovsky & Gibson should be the #1 and #2, respectively. Only on HFboards, would Price contend for top 2.

    IMO, trophies and GAA are not the way to equalizing goalies league-wide. I'd rank goalies on all strengths as well as 5v5, with GSAA, HDGSAA, and SV% as evaluators.

    For example, a goalie that has a .925 SV% and has faced a lot more shots than average is actually playing better than a goalie that has a .930 SV% and has faced less shots. The first goalie has faced more scoring opportunities, and has saved more goals from going in based on their quality of play.

    According to the GSAA statistic, Carey Price hasn't been an elite goalie for a while now. On the most recent sample size he doesn't even crack top 10; 13th place sandwiched between Hellebuyck & Rask.

    Carey Price has appeared in the top-10 since 2009 and became the defacto #1 in the league from 2013 until 16-2017, ranking #1 for GSAA.

    You're stuck in the past, my friend. Sergei Bobrovsky ranks #1 from 2016-17 until present, followed by John Gibson. 3 years back should be as much as we go in evaluating. When we start going to far into the past, we start creating an agenda.

    GSAA from 2016-17 - 2018-19 (all-strengths - TOI @ 8000 mins)

    PlayerGSAASV%
    Bobrovsky56.420.922
    Gibson53.370.922
    Rinne49.010.921
    Vasilevskiy46.780.921
    Andersen35.770.918

    HDGSAA from 2017-18 - 2018-19 (5v5 - TOI @ 6500 mins)

    PlayerHDGSAA
    Bobrovsky42.47
    Gibson28.60
    Rinne28.44
    Lundqvist15.20
    Markstrom10.37
     
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    Yes but most of those Vasi votes might’ve gone to Price. In the end it’s just a poll, but I think you’d have a different #2 if you did it fairly.
     
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    Just say no to Carey Price, kids.

    Bobrovsky is the only choice on this one. This is a poll with one option.
     
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    He knows.
     
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    Bobrovsky
     
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    Bob, add Greiss.
     
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    Price didnt get my first vote, and he wouldnt have gotten my second. Stupid that we went straight to three.
     
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    As someone who values consistency in goaltending very highly, I just can't vote for Bob. Probably not in the next poll either.
     
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    Going with Rask. He's been a consistently strong goalie his whole career. He gets big help from the team he plays for but he's solid.
     
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    Bishop > Gibson > Bob for me.
     
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    add Kuemper, he was 5th in Vezina voting!
     
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    Gibson, Bob, Rask, Andersen
     
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    I for one would not have voted Price at #2.
     
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    I see the top 5 as
    Vasilevsky
    Gibson
    Price
    Bobrovsky
    Bishop

    Andersen or Rask could go in there too but Bishop was a beast this year. Considering the team he played behind compared to the other goalies, Gibson deserves alot of credit.
     
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    That's wrong right there.
     
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    Imo price isnt even top 10
     
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    He knows.
     
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    I mean, Gibson is closer to Bobrovsky than 3rd is to Gibson, I'll give him that.

    The gap is still very clear.

    But I ain't gonna be mad that Gibson beats him. I'm mad that 1 and 2 are two average goaltenders.
     
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