NHL Entry Draft HF Sens - 2020 Draft - Top 75 Average Draft Ranking

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  1. theanalytic Registered User

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    This is my list, but it will probably be altered by the time of the draft; however, it looks like we can update our lists, so that should not be a problem.

    1A. Lafreniere
    2T. Stutzle
    3Q. Byfield
    4L. Raymond
    5J. Drysdale
    6M. Rossi
    7C.Perfetti
    8A. Holtz
    9Y. Askarov
    10J. Sanderson
    11D. Mercer
    12R. Amirov
    13M. Bourque
    14J. Quinn
    15W. Wallinder
    16A. Lundell
    17K. Guhle
    18N. Gunler
    19J. Poirer
    20S. Jarvis
    21J. Foudy
    22S. Mukhamadullin
    23M. Kusnutdinov
    24L. Reichel
    25J. Mysak
    26O. Wiesblatt
    27D. Ovchnnikov
    28D. Holloway
    29H. Grans
    30W. Villeneuve
    31B. Brisson
    32J. Perreault
    33H. Lapierre
    34C. Zary
    35J. Peterka
    36J. Barron
    37E. Andrae
    38A. Stranges
    39Z. Nybeck
    40L. Evangelista
    41J. Sourdif
    42T. Niederbach
    43D. Gushshin
    44V. Ponomarev
    45T. Niemla
    46D. Hunt
    47T. Bordeleau
    48S. Farrell
    49W. Cuylle
    50C. McClennon
    51M. Beryozkin
    52R. O'Rourke
    53R. Hirvonen
    54L. Cormier
    55T. Robins
    56T. Foerster
    57Z. Wisdom
    58J. Finley
    59E. Powell
    60D. Peterson
    61J. Neighbours
    62M. Chromiak
    63R. Francis
    64C. Savoie
    65D. Torgersson
    66M. Groshev
    67O. Pederson
    68P. Novak
    69R. Greig
    70A. Nikishin
    71I. Didkovsky
    72A. Pashin
    73R. Jarventie
    74M. Benning
    75E. Edwards
     
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    Where would you have Schneider ?
     
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    It is hard to say because I probably would not draft him, but I guess I would probably throw him in at around 90-100.
     
  4. Bubba Pilks Registered User

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    Figured with the rumor of the draft maybe being back in June, I would updated the OP to include theanalytic Top 75

    Sens Draft Haul

    HF Sens Rank​
    Average​
    Player​
    Position​
    Height​
    Weight​
    Team​
    Shoots​
    2​
    2.67​
    Quinton Byfield​
    C​
    6.04​
    214​
    Sudbury Wolves​
    Left​
    3​
    3.00​
    Tim Stutzle​
    C/LW​
    6.00​
    187​
    Adler Mannheim​
    Left​
    21​
    21.83​
    Jan Mysak​
    LW​
    6.00​
    176​
    Hamilton Bulldogs​
    Left​
    33​
    40.83​
    Jake Neighbours​
    LW​
    5.11​
    201​
    Edmonton Oil Kings​
    Left​
    49​
    57.83​
    Ridly Greig​
    LW​
    5.11​
    159​
    Brandon Wheat Kings​
    Left​
    52​
    60.83​
    Kasper Simontaival​
    RW​
    5.09​
    172​
    Tappara U20​
    Right​
    53​
    61.00​
    Vasili Ponomaryov​
    C​
    6.00​
    176​
    Shawinigan Cataractes​
    Left​
    64​
    72.50​
    Sean Farrell​
    LW​
    5.09​
    179​
    Chicago Steel​
    Left​
    74​
    77.17​
    Michael Benning​
    D​
    5.10​
    174​
    Sherwood Park Crusaders​
    Right​
    Lots of Lefties. Though I like a lot of the picks at those spots.
     
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    Mid May 2020 Draft Rankings Top 80 - updated

    RankNameLeaguePosShootsDoBDfCHtIncheslbs
    1Alexis Lafreniere QMJHLLWL11-Oct-01266'1"73192
    2Quinton Byfield OHLCL19-Aug-023386'4"76214
    3Tim Stutzle DELC/LWL15-Jan-021226'0"72187
    4Lucas Raymond SHLRW/LWR28-Mar-021945'10"70165
    5Jamie Drysdale OHLDR8-Apr-022055'11"71170
    6Marco Rossi OHLCL23-Sep-0185'9"69179
    7Cole Perfetti OHLCL1-Jan-021085'10"70185
    8Yaroslav Askarov VHLGR16-Jun-022746'3"75176
    9Anton Lundell LiigaCL3-Oct-01186'1"73187
    10Alexander Holtz SHLRWR23-Jan-021306'0"72183
    11Jake Sanderson USDPDL8-Jul-022966'1"73185
    12Jack Quinn OHLRWR19-Sep-0145'11"71176
    13Rodion Amirov KHLLWL2-Oct-01176'0"72168
    14Noel Gunler SHLRW/LWR7-Oct-01226'2"74174
    15Dawson Mercer QMJHLRWR27-Oct-01426'0"72179
    16Dylan Holloway NCAAFL23-Sep-0186'0"72192
    17Marat Khusnutdinov MHLCL17-Jul-023055'9"69165
    18Jan Mysak CzechLWL24-Jun-022826'0"72181
    19Jacob Perreault OHLCR15-Apr-022125'11"71198
    20Mavrik Bourque QMJHLCR8-Jan-021155'10"70165
    21Seth Jarvis WHLRWR1-Feb-021395'10"70172
    22Connor Zary WHLCL25-Sep-01106'0"72181
    23Braden Schneider WHLDR20-Sep-0156'2"74209
    24Kaiden Guhle WHLDL18-Jan-021256'3"75187
    25Lukas Reichel DELFL17-May-022446'0"72172
    26John-Jason Peterka DELFL14-Jan-021215'11"71192
    27William Wallinder SuperElitDL28-Jul-023166'4"76192
    28Justin Barron QMJHLDR15-Nov-01616'2"74187
    29Hendrix Lapierre QMJHLCL9-Feb-021476'0"72181
    30Roni Hirvonen LiigaCL10-Jan-021175'9"69163
    31Helge Grans SuperElitDR10-May-022376'3"75192
    32Lukas Cormier QMJHLDL27-Mar-021935'10"70170
    33Ozzy Wiesblatt WHLRWR9-Mar-021755'10"70183
    34Thomas Bordeleau USDPCL3-Jan-021105'9"69179
    35Topi Niemela LiigaDR25-Mar-021916'0"72163
    36Joni Jurmo Jr. A SM-liigaDL19-Apr-022166'4"76198
    37William Villeneuve QMJHLDR20-Mar-021866'1"73163
    38Jeremie Poirier QMJHLDL2-Jun-022606'0"72192
    39Zion Nybeck SuperElitLW/RWL12-May-022395'8"68176
    40Tyson Foerster OHLCR18-Jan-021256'1"73194
    41Jake Neighbours WHLLWL29-Mar-021955'11"71201
    42Martin Chromiak OHLLWR20-Aug-023396'0"72181
    43Tristen Robins WHLCR15-Nov-01615'10"70174
    44Maxim Groshev KHLRW/LWL14-Dec-01906'2"74194
    45Roby Jarventie MestisLWL8-Aug-023276'2"74185
    46Daniel Torgersson SuperElitLW/RWL26-Jan-021336'3"75205
    47Jack Finley WHLCR2-Sep-023526'5"77207
    48Jean-Luc Foudy OHLCR13-May-022405'11"71168
    49Eemil Viro LiigaDL3-Apr-022006'0"72168
    50Alexander Pashin MHLFL28-Jul-023165'7"67154
    51Daniil Gushchin USHLRWL6-Feb-021445'8"68161
    52Emil Andrae SuperElitDL23-Feb-021615'9"69183
    53Kasper Simontaival Jr. A SM-liigaRWR11-Jan-021185'9"69172
    54Vasili Ponomaryov QMJHLCL13-Mar-021796'0"72176
    55Ryan O'Rourke OHLDL16-May-022436'2"74181
    56Shakir Mukhamadullin KHLDL10-Jan-021176'2"74170
    57Pavel Novak WHLRW/LWR16-Apr-022135'10"70170
    58Dmitri Ovchinnikov MHLFL19-Aug-023385'10"70161
    59Luke Evangelista OHLRWR21-Feb-021595'11"71165
    60Zayde Wisdom OHLCR20-May-022475'10"70201
    61Veeti Miettinen Jr. A SM-liigaRWL20-Sep-0155'9"69159
    62Brendan Brisson USHLCL22-Oct-01375'11"71179
    63Theodor Niederbach SuperElitCR25-Feb-021635'11"71172
    64Carter Savoie AJHLLWL23-Jan-021305'10"70181
    65Justin Sourdif WHLCR24-Mar-021905'11"71165
    66Ty Smilanic USDPFL20-Jan-021276'1"73170
    67Jaromir Pytlik OHLCR25-Sep-01106'3"75201
    68Sean Farrell USHLFL2-Nov-01485'9"69179
    69Antonio Stranges OHLC/LWL5-Feb-021435'10"70170
    70Tyler Kleven USDPDL10-Jan-021176'4"76201
    71Luke Tuch USDPLWL7-Mar-021736'2"74203
    72Michael Benning AJHLDR5-Jan-021125'10"70174
    73Connor McClennon WHLRWR25-Jun-022835'8"68157
    74Sam Colangelo USHLRWR26-Dec-011026'2"74205
    75Dylan Peterson USDPCR8-Jan-021156'4"76192
    76Tyler Tullio OHLCR5-Apr-022025'9"69161
    77Will Cuylle OHLLWL5-Feb-021436'2"74201
    78Yan Kuznetsov NCAADL21-Mar-021876'3"75201
    79Brandon Coe OHLRWR1-Dec-01776'3"75185
    80James Hardie OHLLWL18-Jan-021255'11"71176
     
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  6. Alf Silfversson Registered User

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    I really haven't seen enough to do a top 75 but here is a top 20:

    1. Lafreniere
    2. Byfield
    3. Raymond
    4. Stutzle
    5. Drysdale
    6. Rossi
    7. Lundell
    8. Holtz
    9. Sanderson
    10. Perfetti
    11. Jarvis
    12. Amirov
    13. Quinn
    14. Mercer
    15. Gunler
    16. Zary
    17. Bourque
    18. Mysak
    19. Holloway
    20. Lapierre
     
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    Interesting ... 18F 2D, 0G... Sens at 21 could have a choice of their 3rd best dman.
     
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    LOL. If the draft goes according to my list. SO basically no chance.

    I'm not wild about the defensemen in this draft. I'd have Lassi Thomson 3rd among D this year. JBD as well.
     
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    I personally think 4D will go before 21... but who knows.
     
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    Canuck Fan here
    The Sens have an amazing collection of picks
    Just looking over many of your first 4 picks
    I can't help but see your excitement

    I am not sure I want to see you with the 1st OA
    But I will give you 2/3, just to be generous

    I can't help but wonder why you dont go

    ByField
    Drysdale
    Askarov

    Now Askarrov is a wild card, and he might not be there, but I would use my 33rd to get there, if I could.

    My reasoning would be, you would be getting the best players available in the entire draft, in their positions.

    Hardest positions to fill..........1st line Center and 1st line Dman, with Chabot and Drysdale, you have 2 incedible

    defensemen, that would be both elite. Askarov is simply just the best goalie, and his ranking has been pretty

    consistant, through out the year.

    My reasoning is also, with great respect, you will still be down next year, and you can go after wingers, which are

    way easier to pick or trade for.

    Agree or disagree....I am ok with it, it's your show, and good luck! You are going to have a great team in a couple of

    years!

    Cheers!
     
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    I could see PD taking Drysdale but I want to keep all of our first 6 picks unless it converts NYI into a Rossi/Perf/Sanderson player.
     
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    IMO, the consensus from HF Sens board is that there is no consensus in what we do at the draft, and even if there was a consensus today, it would be gone by tomorrow.

    If I am reading the tea leafs correctly,

    1 a large portion of fans would go with BPA no matter what, there is a sub-set of those fans that have very close groupings for some players and would probably be agreeable with allowing "need" to figure into the decision making.

    2 the Sens have very few high end forwards to fill out a 1st line and would want to go with 2 forwards with the first 2 picks.

    3 RD is an area of weakness for the Sens so would be interested in Drysdale as he projects to be a very good puck moving D. This is balanced by the general acknowledgement that the Sens already have a number of small/lacking in physicality puck moving D in Chabot, Brannstrom, Wolanin and would prefer not to take Drysdale. Sanderson has been discussed as an option as he is more physical and might grow his offensive game, then again the above D are all lefties so the debate then became whether we would force a LD to play his offside.

    4 the Sens will likely finish in the lower part of the 2020-2021 season so should have an opportunity to draft well in what is perceived to be a better D draft, so other than taking some more physical/potential higher end D in the 2nd round this year, we would save our 1st round picks this year for forwards.

    5 although the Sens have quite a few potentially good C, there is concern that Logan Brown won't develop into a 1C so we should be looking at picking up a potential 1C in this draft, Byfield, Perfetti, Rossi, Stutzel (if he is one). The Sens have Norris, White, Pinto but none of them will likely become true 1Cs.

    6 as for Askarov, in general no one would look at him for the 1st 2 picks and some are inclined to say you don't take a goalie in the first round especially since we have a very good goalie pipeline. There are a few that believe you take the chance with a potential franchise goalie and if he falls to our 3rd pick you would have a few more on board with taking Askarov as the BPA.

    7 Sens generally draft well, so trust Mann/Dorion to pick the best players for the Sens. Other than those that believe Dorion is too safe and character focused and should take more chances swinging for the fences.
     
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    I would be fine with the Sens moving their 2nd 1st rd pick to NJ for their 6th & 10 picks, clearly Ottawa would have to add & I would add Brannstrom LD, Gustavsson G & Abramov LW. Then pick Holtz RW & Askarov G. Or to the Rangers for 13th & 22OA & take Askarov G or Quinn RD whoever is available at 13th & Schneider RD at 21 & Guhle LD at 22. Ottawa will have lots of options in this draft with plenty of assets at their disposal to get what they want, if they can find the right partners.
     
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    No way I trade 3OA, Brann, and Gus for 6 and 10. If NJ wants their choice at 3OA they can pay for it to get into that tier.

    Askarov may be available at NYI or even 33.
     
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    Not a chance, his gonna be top ten for sure. Knight was pick 13 and Askarov is a step above
     
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    I think it is possible but far from a sure thing . What team do you have taking him at what slot ?
     
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    New Jersey if don’t win the lottery , same for Chicago. I can see Detroit pick him at 4 if Stutzle or Byfield not here
     
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    I think there is a chance NJ takes him at 10 but I personally can’t see DET taking him at 4 or CHI. Both those teams are early in their rebuild and short talent everywhere. Askarov has potential to be a GM Killer ... Who knows though.
     
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    Here is my top 100, the more research I have done players have been moving up and down. No exact science thats for sure I personally think their are 12 elite prospects in this draft that other years could all warrant top 5 selections. After the top 20 or so there is another tier that falls roughly to about 38. However there are still players in the 20 to 30 range I could easily see being picked between the 13th and 20th picks.

    LafreniereLW
    ByfieldC
    StutzleC/LW
    DrysdaleD
    RaymondLW/RW
    HoltzLW/RW
    SandersonD
    QuinnRW/LW
    PerfettiC/LW
    RossiC
    LundellC
    AskarovG
    Amirov:W
    GunlerRW/LW
    MysakC/RW
    GuhleD
    SchneiderD
    HollowayLW
    ReichelC/LW
    ZaryC
    GransD
    PeterkaLW
    PerreaultC
    JarvisC/RW
    MercerC
    BourqueC/RW
    O'RourkeD
    BrissonC
    VilleneuveD
    FoersterLW/C
    BarronD
    WallinderD
    EvangelistaC
    LapierreC
    FinleyC
    ColangeloRW
    FoudyC
    KhusnutdinovC
    GreigLW
    AndreaD
    JurmoD
    PashinRW
    ChromiakLW
    MukhamudullinD
    KuznetsovLD
    NybeckLW
    CormierD
    WeisblattF
    HirvonenC
    PowellRD
    NiemelaD
    BordeleauC
    TorgerssonC/W
    SimontaivalRW
    NiederbachC/RW
    NiemelaD
    NeighboursLW
    TuchLW
    SavoieLW
    PytlikRW/C
    VierlingC
    JarventieLW
    WiesblattRW
    PonomaryovC
    HeinemanLW
    SmilanicC
    JohannessonD
    DesrochersRD
    OvchinnikovC
    MiettinenF
    KlevenD
    BenningD
    NikishinD
    CommessoG
    PoirierD
    NovakRW
    DawsG
    StrangesC
    GushchinLW
    WisdomRW
    FarrellC
    SokolovLW
    CottonRD
    ViroD
    SourdifRW
    BednardG
    TullioC
    PerersonC
    GroshevRW
    BerardLW
    HardieLW
    HuntLD
    CoeRW
    KnazkoD
    PyythiaC/W
    GogolevLW
    MillerD
    BlomqvistG
    BantleLW
    KubicekD
     
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    Different drafts, this year is better with more high end talent.
     
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    According to Blue Bullet analysis, the 3rd pick in the draft is worth 65.5 points versus 6 being worth 44.9 points and 10th being worth 26.2 points. So 65.5 versus 71.1 points. So, perhaps yes. Of course the picks are based on final standings and not the lottery outcome.

    I think I would rather retain the pick until after the lottery to maintain our higher chances of getting Lafreniere.
     
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    Interestingly enough, the odds of the two NJ picks at 1st OA is 11%, while the SJ pick is 11.5, so not a big difference.
     
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    Nothing to do with you Bert, I just wished people would create separation or groups to show each tiers.
     
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    1. Lafreniere
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    2. Stutzle
    3. Byfield
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    4. Drysdale
    5. Holtz
    6. Rossi
    7. Raymond
    8. Perfetti
    --------------------
    9. Jarvis
    10. Sanderson
    11. Amirov
    12. Quinn
    13. Lundell
    14. Holloway
    15. Askarov
     
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